From Friends of Harford:
UPDATE-
Development Advisory Committee Meeting-January 16, 2019
Location Change to County Council Chambers- 212 South Bond Street
Meeting Time: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 9:00am
UPDATE- Meeting Place: County Council Chambers- 212 South Bond Street
Bel Air, MD 21014
1. Homes At Fountain Green
Located on the southeastern corner of the intersection of Hickory Bypass (Route 1) & North Fountain Green Road (Route 543). Tax Map 41; Parcels 667 & 692; Lot 19. Third Election District. Council District C.
Plan No. P534-2018 Combine Lot 19 & remaining lands & Construct 72 Garden Apartments w/Community Bldg./10.28 acres/B3.
Received 12-19-2018 Springhill Equities, LLC/Homes at Fountain Green Ltd Ptnshp/FWA.
Proposed Plan: VIEW PROPOSED PLAN
2. James Run – Mixed Office Center – Concept
Located on the west side of Creswell Road (Route 543) at the intersection of I-95. Tax Map 57; Parcel 356; First Election District. Council District F.
Plan No. C539-2018 Mixed Office Center w/open space, residential, service & retail Uses/111.106 acres/MO.
Received 12-19-2019 Jen Mar 1, LLC c/o Craftsmen Land, LLC/MRA.
Proposed Plan: VIEW PROPOSED PLAN
FedUp says
Are we seriously going to build up every single square inch of open land in Bel Air? smh. Looking forward to even more gridlock.
Da truff says
And more apartments. Apparently, Harford County plans on becoming Baltimore City North.
Sprawl good farms bad says
yes they do plan on it as long as those developers keep putting money in the pockets of our selfless elected officials.
just sayin says
Anyone interested the minutes from the CIM for Homes at Fountain Green are online. They are pure comedic gold, the NIMBYs melted down, tantrums that would make a toddler proud. It is no wonder the developers always win.
Sprawl good farms bad says
Could yo u please provide a link
HarCo Voter says
Click on “view document archive” in the article and you can find it. Some of the thinly veiled racist comments about “those kind of people” from the community meeting is disgusting.
resident says
I do believe part of the HOA rules for Vineyard oaks is you must be a flaming asshole to live there.
non-resident says
True – well, at least in part. You also need a good education, a high net-worth and above-average income.
Sorry you didn’t meet those other 3, better luck when you finish your GED in Night School!
Samuel Housemann says
The addition of Vineyard Oaks Section 8 apartments will create a plethora of available Non-Section 8 Vineyard Oaks single family homes for purchase.
LMAO says
Oddly enough those are the same qualification to be a developer of section 8 apartments.
non-resident says
How would it be “disgusting”? Do you know, for a fact, to whom they were referring?
I read nothing of race, but income. Sorry, but facts don’t lie: Low Income = High Crime. Name one place that has low income housing that does not have it’s “higher than normal” share of crime attached?
We’ll wait…
HarCo Voter says
It’s funny that your mind jumped to race. I guess that shows what you identify as trash. I find it disgusting to refer to poor people as trash in general.
non-resident says
Dear HarCo Voter:
My mind jumped to race in response to your original post which mentioned race first…
“Some of the thinly veiled racist comments…”
I never mentioned race, and I never referred to anyone as trash. Those are your words. I stated that I didn’t see any mention of race in the meeting notes / comments. You did. You saw them as racist homeowners when they presented a valid concern. How dare they want to protect their investments.
I pointed out a F.A.C.T. that lower-income areas have higher than average crime rates. This is true in Maryland, Virginia, Texas, California, Vermont, Egypt, Brazil…everywhere. Except Monaco…those people are all rich.
just sayin says
CIM minutes
https://www.harfordcountymd.gov/AgendaCenter/ViewFile/Minutes/_12122018-1044
Right says
Right. Because if you work hard, save, and then purchase a $500,000+ home in a desirable area, then the State and Federal governments ram through a project to plop 72 apartments in your backyard where the local government can do nothing to stop it (despite their opposition), you wouldn’t be rip-roaring pissed?
I don’t live there, but I am not so myopic to not see why they’d be mad.
truth says
God forbid something to happen to one of the whiners that life forced them into an apartment.
cheedos says
the only way to stop this is to pony up and buy any vacant land next to your development or else the developers will put anything on it
LOL says
Mmmhmm. This will go nicely with the Auto auction.
So, like, when is one of our fire departments going to build a “station” here? I’m not sure who’s “box” this is, perhaps Abingdon? I always see a variety of various fire companies “responding” to fire calls in this area. Aberdeen, APG Fire Dept, Joppa Magnolia.
Riverside must be like a free for all. Whoever can get the turn out gear on the fastest?
Prickle says
I guess they’ll be your new neighbor?
non-resident says
Well, theirs…his, hers, our…
This will affect a whole lot more than just Vineyard Oaks. Sandy Ridge, Tudor Manor, Eva Mar, Carsins Run, Amyclae, Southhampton…not to mention CM Wright.
Welp, I guess Royal Farm there on the corner will have it’s business tick up.
What’s next…lemme guess…a Walgreen’s on the opposite corner of 543?
Catchup says
Not Walgreens it’s going to be a Taco Bell.
Jose says
nope the corner across the street from royal farms will get apartments too
Facts Hurt Liberals says
True, we are only at 185% of capacity on the 543 / Route 1 intersection. I mean, honestly, it can handle about 334 more cars per day. In addition, it is well below the Harford County Minimum Pothole mandate, whereas there is only 1 severe pothole every 175 feet. If it were every 150 feet, all of the county workers who spend their mornings at the WaWa in Hickory would actually do something about it.
Geez people, have a heart…those who live off of others need a place to live, too!
Colonel Alex Slutzky says
The complaints by NIMBYs are understandable. The split second someone is placed in the circumstance, their perspective changes. The approach is backwards and wrong. The land is zoned accordingly to allow for these uses. The original plan will never happen. BRAC failed to materialize the jobs. There are office buildings sitting empty by APG for 7 + years now; hence, Upper Chesapeake moving to Aberdeen to an office complex vacant (makes sense). IF anyone has an issue with the “zoning” then complain to the county government during the next comprehensive zoning review. That land has set there with that mixed zoning for a decade plus. Otherwise, you cannot prohibit a private land owner from using their land as zoned. These are responsible developers. They will build a good project. Complaints about congested roads should be directed to Governor Hogan and Team. The state roads in Harford County are in abysmal shape – look at Rt 22 from Bel Air to Aberdeen. Potholes, etc. Rt. 22 was supposed to be widened to 4 lanes from 543 to 22 nearly 15 years ago. The state pulled the monies. Harford County voters bend overwhelmingly Republican (which I am in the vein of a Reagan Republican from a time where compromise wasn’t a forbidden word). These same conservative voters almost always embrace a far-left liberal agenda when it comes to LEGAL land zoning. The fight against Wal-Mart in Emmorton a few years ago was an embarrassment and anti-business (the opposite of a conservative). On another related front, opposition to the redevelopment of the Bel Auto Auction property on Rt 1 – would anyone prefer to see that paved wasteland remain as is or be re-purposed for legitimate, legally zoned usages by yet another very reputable developer ??? I have zero connections to any of these developers, and yes citizens, but I have researched their background and they are solid companies with great project history. And for the sake of things holy, please stop with the racist comments in these postings. Insane.
Oh Snap says
The developer should put an adult book store on that corner. The NIMBYs would beg for nice apartments.
2A For All says
Hilarious, but true. If I am not mistaken, one of Comrade Slutzky’s kin lives in Vineyard Oaks – maybe if they start complaining…things will start to magically change? I hear they have some pull with the county. /sarcasm
I don’t believe that infrastructure has anything to do with political parties – both have a nack for wasting tax payers money. Here we are with the Glassman Administration, and thus far he seems to do nothing but furlough and reduce the number of teachers in the County all the while spouting crap about “education is paramount” BS.
I am not an opposition of giving people a place to live – regardless of income level. If you need help, you need help. My gripe is the crime that follows Section 8 / Voucher communities. Now, before anyone gets all snowflake liberal on me…notice I N.E.V.E.R. mentioned race…so shut up with the racist bullshiggity. Government Assistance is non-gender / non-racial / non-political / non-ethnic issue. Some need it, many abuse it. The abusers are often those who bring the crime –
With several affluent neighborhoods being within “striking distance” of this new community, remember one thing my fellow residents:
* * * A man is not bound to retreat from his house. He may stand his ground there and kill an[y] person who attempts to commit a felony therein, or who attempts to enter by force for the purpose of committing a felony, or of inflicting great bodily harm upon an inmate. In such a case the owner or any member of the family, or even a lodger in the house, may meet the intruder at the threshold, and prevent him from entering by any means rendered necessary by the exigency, even to the taking of his life, and the homicide will be justifiable.***
Clark Baker says
Jared Kushner owns the most Section 8 properties in Maryland. Anybody that voted fro Trump can’t complain about Section 8
Clark Griswold says
Kushner is a co-owner of a company that owns most Section 8 properties across Maryland, he is not a sole proprietor. But hey, whatever you need to do to make yourself feel better about having a platform to bash Trump.
So, in light of your comment, what does Trump have to do with this development? Didn’t Kushner own these properties well in advance of Trump taking the Oval Office? Now, all of a sudden, it’s an issue?
Nice try, play again another day.l
Reality of It says
The problem with section 8 is it’s a clear sign the neighborhood is on the downward slide. That whole area of 543 has become a rat hole. It’s no wonder C Milton Wright has a heroin problem since east Baltimore white trash moved into the area.
WinnerWinnerChickenDinner says
Still not as bad as Fallston High!