From Bel Air South Community Foundation:
Folks,
There will be a slide show presentation of the fifteen Bel-Air South intersections that will be affected by a Plumtree Wal-Mart. The presentation “Wal-Mart Traffic…What can we do?” will compare the recommendations/requirements of the involved organizations: Wal-Mart, County, State and MCV Associates (Traffic Engineer) and what we must do to ensure that Wal-Mart is required to improve all intersections.
The presentation will take place on Sunday, March 15th between 3:00 and 4:30 PM at the McFaul Center in Bel Air.
Bel Air South Community Foundation
Are you Kidding Me??? LOL. Just what we need. a WalMart. SMH. Are the people who run this county morons? Now I only have to drive 2 minutes to get my TP, Pretzels, and bottled water. Lets see how many building we can build and how many people we can cram into a small space. A blueprint for success!!
Where was your input when the county made the zoning on this piece of property a Big Box Store. Oh never mind you were home stuffing your face with pretzel’s.
Make assumptions much? You have no idea….
Could be worse, you could be the top people of “Beech creel estates” or whatever, going to work and spending the entire day waiting for someome to buy a house.
We need a bass pro
Are there still people who believe that Bass Pro Shop would move to Abingdon? If so, where are they getting this information?
A Bass Pro in Bel Air would be almost exactly in the middle between their Hanover store or Cabelas in Delaware, ~45 minutes to either store. That’s about the worst business decision possible for a chain that deals in high-end hunting equipment, too many potential customers will make the drive to avoid paying sales tax when they’re buying any significant amount of gear and it would steal business from their other location.
Another Shitmart is exactly what Harford County needs. More $ .99 made in China junk sold to us by $ 7.25 per hour minions with State subsidized healthcare benefits.
They wouldn’t be in Harford County if lots of woo woo’s didn’t spend money there.
I rather enjoy the 75 registers with only one person working. The increase in traffic and crime. Let us not forget the white trash driving up to fallston as “the other walmarts are just trashy”
I think you mean “driving from Fallston”
The best way to get rid of Walmart is to make them feel entirely unwanted and unwelcome. There is nothing unique about Walmart that you couldn’t get anywhere else at any other store most likely not much more in price and far better in quality. Don’t shop at that nasty store – nothing redeeming is added by having a Walmart in your community.
I went to the walmart in Falston last week. In 1 stop I got fishing line, motor oil, filter for humidifier, seeds for the garden, 2 pair jeans, lunch meat, bananas, OJ, bread, cat food and a rib eye steak.
So where exactly should I have gone to get these items that were supposedly made in China for 99cents?
did you happen to find you testicals in there as well?
Try Target idiot.
Try Target…..Interesting…
So Target has the same things as walmart but for reasons you will need to share why are they better? Is Targets merchandise not made in China for 99 cents? Perhaps you work for Target and have an interest in people shopping there?
The reality is there is little difference between Target and Walmart short of them being competitors. If Walmarts detractors had their way to run the entire county we would have 1 gas station, 1 restaurant, 1 lumber yard, 1 doctor… You people really have no clue how the world wors and look silly trying to defend you NIMBY attitude. Yo are indeed a Genious 🙂 indeed….
Oh no we wouldn’t be limited to just 1 restaurant, after all we have every major chain establishment here in Bel Air and most nights you can’t get in. I guess those McMansions didn’t come equipped with kitchens.
Walmart’s prices are cheaper than Target. That’s why Walmart’s parking lot is full and Target’s is empty.
Not really if Walmart’s detractors had their way the false choice would not be between Target and Walmart…and no we wouldn’t have just one gas station, etc., etc., oh contrare we’d have dozens of gas stations, and dozens of retail establishments – they’d be locally owned by people that actually lived in the area thereby benefitting our county directly rather than being filtered through a bank account in Arkansas. We’d have some control over quality and mostly the employees wouldn’t be on public assistance in one form or another because the salaries are so low that they qualify for subsidized housing, Obamacare and all the rest. Walmart is so awesome. Personally I’d prefer supporting local businesses and americans as opposed to some yankee hating chinese guy who really could care less if poison ends up in the dog food.
Speaking of NIMBY, your post suggests that you are in favor of the improved traffic mitigation efforts, which would ease your drive to and from Walmart.
A true NIMBY would want the roads to stay as they are, as that would limit commercial construction. Glad to see you on the team.
As expressed here the roads don’t need to be changed, people are already out shopping and driving on said roads. Walmart isn’t going to magically make people appear who were not here before. That’s what makes the NIMBYs so funny.
Silly NIMBY, that’s not how traffic mitigation works.
Walmart is required by law to attempt to mitigate the burden its existence will cause. The only question that remains is to what extent it will pay for it and to what extent the taxpayers will pay for it. Either way, it will happen.
henry:
“If Walmarts detractors had their way to run the entire county we would have 1 gas station, 1 restaurant, 1 lumber yard, 1 doctor… ”
… says the person who just tried to form an argument that there was no other shopping option for him to complete his shopping list. Which is ironic, comrade. It’s fun when people point out that Walmart is the product a free market, yet fail to see how the entire concept of 1 single store where you can (and actually must in some places) go to get everything you need is not aligned with a free market.
And for the record, yes Target is virtually the same thing, conceptually. The truth is in your shopping list example there are usually at last 2 other places you could go, some of them national chains, some local owners, but yes you could get your entire list done, just not at one store. And in the process, in most cases, you would have had better customer service, from a higher paid employee (or the owner even), more knowledgeable assistance, and a higher quality product.
Of course you would have spent more and it’s possible it would have taken longer, but that’s even debatable.
It’s a matter of consumer choice. But learn the consequences of those choices.
Piffel Nobel your claims of utopia like stores with superior products and people just don’t exist.
I notice you did not address the contradiction in your argument that I highlighted.
Perhaps if you spent less time in Walmart and more time in some other stores, you see more evidence of this “utopia”.
You can go into Walmart and buy a fairly high end product, but most people don’t. If you want a truly high end item, you will almost ways have to go to another store. Sometimes, that store contains brands and companies that are so niche that most people have never even heard of them because they are small and have such low volume.
Walmart doesn’t have time for that. Rather, they tell a relatively high end company to make a separate product just for their stores, so they can sell the name brand at a lower price point. Well in that lower price point comes at a price, and that’s fewer and cheaper components, and lower quality.
Again, not every product, but some of them. This is well documented, look it up. So when you go buy that great name brand product at Walmart, check to see if anyone else carries the same exact model, because if they don’t, the one you’re buying is cheaper because it’s crap.
And they call it an “Exclusive”.
Other retailers are guilty of the same.
Noble you are flat out nuts.
The oil I bought was Valvoline, the jeans were wrangler the cat food science diet, the OJ tropicana, the bananas Dole the seeds Burpee I could go on but you don’t need my help making you look stupid.
Carry on.
You have a bad habit of not reading carefully, henry.
I don’t even need to respond because the refutation is already present in my original post.
In the future, if I don’t respond to you, do not be fooled into thinking you were right. Rather, I suggest you go back and read what I said slower, and maybe you’ll catch it all the second time.
Shop wherever you want Henry but be careful with the chinese pet food. Multiple times been linked to pet deaths – something about running pesticides and other crap in the same equipment used to process food and not just pet food. Chinese stuff is awesome.
The food was made in Topeka Kansas you idiot.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^What Henry said^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I can see a thrift store in Abingdon once Walmart moves to Bel Air. It will fit in nice!y next to the new low income housing by Target. Also another HUD funded project behinf Wegmans. Time to move from Abingdon and Bel Air or should we just call it Edgewood west?
You seem to have forgotten about the Gabriel Brothers.
Edgewood North, actually.
A thrift store? I hope so. I see a huge empty building dragging down everyones property value.
I’m sorry to be so forthright, but you’re either misinformed, mistaken, or just foolish enough not to inform yourself and then talk about it.
Do you realize how many projects, programs, and economic development initiatives are funded by HUD? No probably not cause most people don’t. HUD directs funding to many things other than “section 8”, half of which you’ve probably benefited from without even realizing it.
The development “behind Wegmans”, by which I believe you are referring to the Enclave at Box Hill, will have 1 bed room apartments starting $1350, which is significantly above the maximums set by HUD for Section 8. Also, every unit in the project is provided at market rate, there are no subsidies.
So while the project received funds from HUD, as many, many, others do as well, it is not “low income” in any even remote way.
In fact, as far as I can tell, it might be the nicest and most expensive apartment complex in the county.
No noble you are misinformed the development is not behind Wegmans. Do you even live in Harford county?
Yes, I live right by BOTH of the developments, which is why I do know what I’m talking about.
Go back and read it again.
The one behind Target is affordable housing, for seniors and families. The one behind Wegmans, which is “HUD funded” is clearly not.
You lose.
Noble,
They are feeding you their spin. Target complex financed partly the MD will provide affordable workforce housing and haven’t said if they will accept Section 8 or MBQ (HUD program formerly known as Move to Opportunity out of Baltimore City). Wegmans complex financed by HUD and FHA loans. Once this complex doesn’t hit its financing occupancy goals, they will be forced to accept less than market rents that are guaranteed to pay by contract…this would mean Section 8. Save this post and keep it for further reference in 2 years or so.
Expensive rental complexes do not receive HUD funding although can be financed with FHA loans which are private money but just the loan is insured. The difference in both is one of targeted audience. HUD never funds private apartments unless there is a benefit for low to medium income level almost always. They do separate senior housing which has different goals than regular housing. All you need to do is go look at the sign regarding the complex. Hint, if it was exclusive to private tenants it wouldn’t have a sign stating HUD on it. Federal law says they have to let you know how its funded when tax $$ are used. It may include Section 8 in the future or it may not if complex hits their occupancy goals, that’s the trigger point. Complex by Target will probably accept Section 8 and MBQ sooner since its original target is pow income housing and no trigger provision applies. Same financing was used as Woodbridge Commons.
Both of these posts above are correct, but it is complicated. It entirely depends on exactly where the funding comes from and what type it is. Generally speaking, any property can refuse to lease with Section 8 if they don’t want to– unless they agreed to based on their funding mechanism.
So it is true that if they have difficulty leasing the units they may drop the rent levels, and if the level drop enough, they would be obliged accept Section 8, if their financing stipulated it.
Either way, the asking price of 1350 for a one bedroom is significantly higher than Harford’s max, which is just over $1000, so it seems unlikely.
And really the whole issue is immaterial, because any property, if the owner chooses and the rent is within limits, can be Section 8. Check the rents in your neighborhood because it might be the 3 bedroom single house next to you.
Wah…Wah… I moved into the development T of Harford County and am complaining! Just tell me when the damn store opens so I can at least see if they have a better hunting section than the old one! Quit your griping… you moved there and your realtor didn’t tell you they would be building crap from here to timbuktu for the next 10 years….. blame them or keep it moving (out of Abingdon).
Feel free to move south to Ann Arundel country where Casino’s abound every 10 miles. And as far as the Edgewood North trolls, if Edgewood North means taking 20 minutes to go 3 stop lights in rush hour.. I’ll take Edgewood South.
Heres a suggestion, how about all the folks whining sign a committment not to shop at Walmart when it arrives..not going to happen because as much as you hate walmart. YOU NEED WALMART…YOU LOVE ROLLBACK Prices. When all stores are closed who is it that mans that wall on 925…. thats right a blue vested Walmart employee. So get your gd smiley sticker on your hand and shut up.
That’s a pretty weak retort Money Tree. Give an example where Targets pet food is any different than Walmarts.
Gosh…please refer to specific instance where I said anything about Walmart vs. Target? Comprehension is so key. Walmart supporters who are generally pretty ignorant and self serving want to make it only about Walmart vs. Target but the truth is the overall picture is much bigger. The argument should really be about big box vs. small businesses and has almost nothing to do with two goliath megastores that in many cases are much the same – although the aggressive and parasitic quality of Walmart is measured at the level no other megastore can top. Do whatever you want to do – shop the Walmart but when all the other stores are gone and you only have Walmart left don’t whine about how our lives have been vastly and negatively impacted by our knew jerk need to save a nickle on jar of pickles.
Money, I’m not making it about Walmart vs Target. I could care less what happens in Bel Air anymore. Its already down the drain.
I’m still waiting for an answer as to where pet foods are different between the two stores.
I bet you can’t.
You can’t be that thick. I never said, nor defended, nor represented a preference, nor said the two stores have different dog foods. Jeez…dude. My reference would be The Mill as opposed to either Target or Walmart, but if I had to shop at a big box, I’d by far and away go to Target because they aren’t as predatory in their corporate behaviors. Just ask yourself which entity is more in bed the federal government and that ought to tell you a whole bunch about who they are.
So the dig on Walmarts pet food was just a lame attempt to down Henry for shopping at Walmart because that’s all you had.
I got it dude.
Trying to find where it says the word “Target” anywhere in this article. Nope pretty sure it just says “Walmart”. Yep positive just refers to Walmart removing the cheap poison crap they were calling dog treats from their shelves after multiple dog deaths.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2007/08/22/us-walmart-petfood-idUSN2241548220070822
I’ve been living in the county for over 60 years and have made some interesting observations. When Mr. Osborne in Forest Hill sold his sod farm and other property for development everyone moved in and were happy until they wanted to put in the retail area which is now Kohls etc. Then it was a very wrong thing to use up country space. The people felt ill-used. I used to enjoy looking at the open country between southern Bel Air and Emmorton. I wasn’t happy about all the housing taking up all of that space but it came. Now the people that got their piece of the open space down there are protesting Walmart. The sad or funny thing, depending how you look at it is, those same people who are whining will be Walmart shoppers one day. People look at things differently depending upon what their own personal situation or arrangement is.
Bel Air was once a quiet small town. Then Rt 24 was sold as a limited access road to speed travel from Bel Air to 95. What we didn’t know then was all the soon to be built houses and stores on either side.
So, Rt 24 was the death of Harford County. It allowed easy access to our rural countryside. And probably all the people posting here are the NIMBYs that came because of 24.
You are the problem. Revel in your Walmart. You deserve it.
So its your fault for allowing 24 to be built. Wow. You got sold a bill of goods.
Regarding the changes in Harford County, I’d say the fox was let into the hen house long ago, and the farmer and his family have been on permanent vacation.
It’s all about zoning and planning, and citizens who take an active and informed interest in what their government is doing, or not doing, for them.
People need to start taking charge of things, and that means more than going on their day off to vote. Growth can be had, and it can be had with a much higher IQ than it seems it has been undertaken for some time.
Walmart in Bel Air South is just a sopping scabby sore symptomatic of larger problems that continue to go ignored.
You hit the nail on the head Old Guy. I too have lived my whole life, 60 years here in Harford County. As have my parents, grand parents and great grandparents.
I liken the opening of the new 24 to the California Gold Rush or the opening of the West. When they cut the ribbon, land speculators and developers burnt rubber from Rt 1 to 95 grabbing up any piece of land they could lay their grubby hands on.
The county government who many if not all were in the developers pockets. Always putting the cart before the horse. Build, build, build and then worry about the infrastructure.
As fast as developers could build the ginger bread houses on property so close to the neighbors you can reach out and touch them, they were bought up by people coming out of the city to get away from the crime. Just wanting their little, I mean little piece of the country. Well you got it. You also got a bonus, crime. It followed you here just like a tick follows a dog.
You all make your bed, now sleep in it.
.I live on 8 acres as far north as you can go in Northern Harford County. My property is surrounded by large farms in Land Preservation. By the time the shyster lawyers and developers figure out how to break the land preservation laws, I’ll be long gone.