The following letter was provided by a group of Glenville Road residents who oppose the Regent at Stone House wedding/event venue in Churchville, as well as recent media coverage of the issue:
Yesterday, 1/23/2015, there was an article in the Aegis which clearly supported the owners of 517 Glenville Road, property setting for the proposed Regent at Stone House.
The following is a response to the subject matter and its’ accuracy concerning this article. Comments included are the observation of the writer.
Note: These bullet points were drafted after reviewing the article sentence by sentence.
The alterations proposed by a PR Group at two private meetings does not change the issues that are and have been a part of our neighborhood objections in any way.Here are some of our concerns: The safety of all of our community as affected by traffic and introduction of hundreds of strangers weekly, the negative impact on ecological sanctity of our pristine community, along with the already realized and future projection of reduced real estate values. We, the Limbergers’ neighbors, could sustain literally millions of dollars in lost equity. This begs the question, why should we be personally and financially penalized for Tim and Lisa to hatch their dreams which by the way change on an ongoing basis?
If your dream is going to negatively impact the exact neighbors you say you care so much about, why are you proceeding at all? Your dream, your passion is our nightmare. Commercial venues have no place smack dab in the middle of our well founded residential neighborhood.
Limbergers still plan to offer all the same venues described in the original presentation. They are just adding Equine activities. As of today, their website still is advertising the same venue and has added a picture of a horse.
This begs the question: Why do they require this large paved parking lot with lights if equine events are now their primary interest?
Limberger has not listened to the neighborhood. Since our August meeting, the Limbergers have not spoken to 98 %+ or- of us before or until Dec 22, 2014 when he chose to speak to less than 2.5% of the 400 + or -people who objected to their original proposal. Sixteen neighbors attended their meetings to our knowledge. Point is if you were not invited ,you were not informed, and you need to be at this Wednesday’s CIM meeting. After talking to more than 40 neighbors in the past two weeks, they all remain against the project.
Scrapping their plans on the first sight is part of development costs. If one wants to develop, one needs to adjust. The money they spend is not anyones’ responsibility but their own. It is certainly not the responsibility of the neighbors.
The Aegis failed to verify that there are any new neighbors who are in line with the Limberger proposal . Every neighbor who was against this proposal in August remain that way to our knowledge. Our supporters are still numbering well over 400 persons conservatively and growing daily. In the last two weeks alone, we have distributed over 20 new No Regent signs.
Mr. Rob Wienholds remarks are puzzling. I have lived in Churchville for 30 + years and always found my neighbors to be wonderful, cordial people. This attempt to vilify us is laughable. If the Limbergers wish to compare complaints, police reports and possible crimes in which there are witnesses, we would love to sit down with them. When departing from an invitation only presentation it is only polite that one would thank the host, and upon arriving and departing a handshake is the American way to express that gratitude. It is not a sign of commitment or agreement in this context. When President Obama and President Putin shake hands at the world summit It doesn’t mean that the two men agree on anything. It is simply hello and good bye.
One point we all need to consider is the fact that since December 2013, we have seen over twenty different sheriff cars in the neighborhood. In the thirty years before that, other than an officer who lived down the street going to and from work, along with an occasional sheriff to shoot radar at our request, we never saw any law enforcement. We never needed it and we are proud of that fact.
The second CIM meeting was scheduled because they didn’t finish the first. At no point did anyone say they wanted to offer a changed plan until Dec 22,2014 and then it was announced on a limited basis at private meetings for selected neighbors. Most of them have publicly stated they remain totally against the project.
Dr. Finney and the Finney family were apparently wonderful people historically. They were generation after generation of doctors helping their community. In consideration of history available, while living on this property, they had no commercial interest working on their farm. A Dr. William Finney is buried under the old oak tree on my property. I found his great grandson in Virginia years ago to tell him we had the gravestone. He thanked me for my concern and visited the sight once. We continue to care for it! Yes, his great grandson is a doctor.
Tim Limberger, not a doctor, has publicly announced that they bought this property with a contingency contract with approval for development of said commercial, for profit, venue. In spite of that, Mr. Limberger repeatedly now says he is not a developer.He is now a farmer chasing his dream of teaching kids how to ride horses and at the same time in the same building holding a plethora of parties for profit.These types of flip flops tend to erode the credibility of Limbergers’ comment and commitments. This begs another question. Why would one spend countless hours teaching children to horseback riding safely? But yet at the same time, they will rent space on top of the stalls for over 160+ or- people of all ages, to party , eat drink and be merry and then endanger those same children by having them ride in cars that are sharing that very road with people under the influence of alcohol?
Conclusion: The article is what it is. A PR Group scoring an interview with a local newspaper in an effort to enhance its’ clients’ image and reputation. If one comes to believe what you are reading without questioning the facts, you might find some credibility. The truth simply shines through this. The size of the building and parking are going to change and they are giving horseback riding lessons in addition to all the other venues they advertise on their own web site, period.
We continue to need each and every one of you to attend the CIM Meeting on January 28, 2015 at 6 PM at Harford Tech High School , 200 Thomas Run Road . Please come help extract the truth from Limbergers. The CIM meeting is you Constitutional right, come exercise it before someone takes it away.
Community Input Meeting Alert: Regent at Stone House January 28
From Friends of Harford:
A Community Input Meeting (CIM) Meeting has been scheduled for the following project(s):
Regent at Stone House – located on the east side of Glenville Road at/near the intersection of Glenville Road and Maryland Route 155 Site includes 51 acres currently zoned AG, Agricultural and will include agricultural/commercial riding stable and private parties and receptions uses
DATE/Time: Wednesday, January 28 at 6:00 pm
Location: Harford Technical High SchoolThe CIM meeting announcement with links to the proposed site plans is available at http://www.harfordcountymd.gov/PlanningZoning/index.cfm?ID=32&PullPage=CommunityCalendar.cfm&InputID=178
If you have concerns you wish to raise or simply want more information, this meeting is your opportunity to do so.
County government has a description of the CIM process at www.harfordcountymd.gov/cim.
The Regent at Stone House Fact Sheet courtesy of The Fallston Group:
Was this property stolen? If the land is of such concern, why did a concerned neighbor not purchase it?
Great question LOCAL. How about letting us know what street you live on, so we can see if we can find some out of town grease-ball to convert the house next door to you into an adult book store or a liquor barn? I mean afterall, nothing wrong with operating a commercial business in a residential neighborhood right?
Of course, you know that a business cannot operate without proper zoning, right?
Dirt – Could you direct me to the zoning code for agricultural land that says on a daily basis a business can hire a caterer, a loud instrument band, a mobile liquor bar and pack about 200 people with over 100 vehicles at one time in a residential neighborhood that has a small road that begins at a elementary school with children and goes over a one lane bridge and ends next to a one lane stone covered lane with potholes that is just barely passable most times if the year? I though agriculture was by definition plants and animals. When did it change to parties, dancing, drinking, traffic congestion and noise pollution?
Sorry, I’m not a zoning expert (despite what ‘really’ thinks).
The bridge over Mill Brook is almost a mile from the Oak Farm Road/Glenville Road intersection, in the opposite direction of the Glenville Road/Rt 155 intersection. The quaint “stone covered” road? 3 miles from the Oak Farm Road intersection, again, in the opposite direction from Rt 155.
The elementary school has a fence protecting the students from entering the roadway, and it is the liquor provider’s responsibility to ensure that patrons are served responsibly and not driving while intoxicated. Plus, most weddings end at ~10pm, how many children are going to be playing in the school yard at that time? Glenville Road and Rt 22 is also an uncontrolled intersection, most people will be going to Rt 155 & 22 to make use of the traffic light for left turns onto Rt 22 and because it is shorter for right turns onto Rt 22.
If you don’t like the proposed use of their property, make an offer to buy it yourself.
Dear Kharn owner , your venue will draw people from far way places who will in fact use their gps to direct them over the one lane bridge and enter the stone covered lane parallel to deer creek. If my children aren’t at the elementary school during your events, they could be at the rec center on the other side. Lastly, I didn’t read that the property was posted for sale. I only saw a sign posted to add parties and receptions to the land. Where was the “for sales” sign?
SG,
The only vehicles that a GPS would direct to approach from anywhere other than the Rt 155 intersection would be ones coming from Rt 136, and then, it brings them onto Glenville Road below the bridge (via Cool Branch Road and Coale Road).
I’m not involved in the project at all, I can just read a map, believe in individual property rights, hate lame arguments, and detest appeals “for the children.”
All vehicles will gps to deer creek glenville from Lancaster to Philadelphia via route 1. As far as the children, I wouldn’t t expect a pro-choice advocate to give two cents about safety concerns for the little ones, so your postion is more lame than you could even understand on any given Sunday. PS: it is the 21st century and we use gps now, not maps.
Really Kharn – “detest appeals for the children”? Remember when they reduced the bus schedules and you were so upset about the danger it put the kids in around your own neighborhood. Is it only OK for you to worry about your own kids but others have no such similar right?
Kharn,
That’s great news. Put more strangers on Cool Branch Road. When we first moved to the area 12 years ago I spent thousands on car repairs directly resulting from deer encounters and passing oncoming cars on Cool Branch. My wife and I learned that two cares can’t even drive the posted speed and pass safely on half the length of Cool Branch so now we slow down and pull over when we encounter our neighbors and school buses. I drive Cool Branch every day and the last thing I want to hear is somebody wants to attract unfamiliar people to it even if they’re sober.
Thanks for the warning?
SG:
Google Maps suggests from Lancaster you would use Rt 1 to 161 to 155 to Glenville Road, not over the bridge. Philly as an origin results in I95 to 155 to Glenville Road. And I’m hardly a pro-choice advocate.
The Money Tree:
HCPS has a duty to the children under their care (awaiting an HCPS bus), a private property owner does not have the same obligation to hypothetical children on a playground at 10pm when the owner isn’t the unique source of the supposed hazard and the owner is already restrained by laws concerning liquor service.
John:
You and your neighbors could pay for a sign stating Cool Branch Road is for local traffic only and others should continue to Rt 155.
Kharn; I believe John is pointing out that even if cool spring is local traffic only, in his own experience that has resulted in his inability to drive the road safely, costing him thousands, John is making a great argument for the county to widen the road though I’m sure that wasn’t his intention.
That sounds like something the Limberger’s would say. Brilliant – NOT!
Kharn, you sure do know an awful lot about the details of this commercial party barn. It’s almost like you’ve been studying the issues in preparation for a CIM. Are you sure you’re not Lisa Limberger?
BTW – have you looked up the definition of a barn lately?
I Says, if I wanted the county to widen the road, I’d call the county. The road is fine for what it is, a rural country road. It’s what you would envision if you read the Harford County Master Plan – Land Use Element Plan description of the Churchville/Creswell area. What you will not find in the Land Use Element Plan is any desire to expand the commercial building envelope of Churchville into rural neighborhoods for the purposes of bringing outsiders to the area. That is of course unless someone thinks they can find a loophole somewhere that gives them the right to do whatever they what because they’re dreams are better than those of their neighbors.
I:
I agree! Cool Branch Road should be widened to 12′ lanes, plus 10′ paved shoulders immediately. Maybe even a 20′ median so trees could be planted and make it a really scenic ride for hundreds of bicyclists every weekend? What’s the going rate for eminient domain in Harford County? $1/sqft? I’m sure his neighbors will see that as sufficient compensation.
John:
Just because my dog has a doghouse doesn’t mean he lives in it 24×7, but it’s still a doghouse. And I’m not an owner, representative, or anyone else associated with this plan.
BillH is that you? Out of the gate early nes paux?
No I have better things to do at 3:22 AM. Behind in your ironing?
Didn’t think some Johnny-Come-Lately would try to pull such a trick. Considering your background, though, I’m not surprised.
I think this would be a nice addition to the county, and it looks like they have made a real effort to change their plans in response to the community outrage. If this is a legally acceptable use with the present zoning, I certainly hope that the locals will have the maturity to make a good faith effort to meet them in the middle and actually try to work this out, rather than simply holding their hands over their ears and yelling “NOT LISTENING NOT LISTENING NOT LISTENING”.
Gee, Rob from the PR firm in fallston hired by the developers; what is the significance of using the name Phil Dirt? I guess that’s what public relations guys are paid to do for their clients, i.e., “fill-dirt”. You and LOCAL jumped on this thread like greased lightning. Too bad you can’t control the Dagger like you control the Aegis and cut out the “locals” from providing their point of view. You’re very predictable for a PR firm trying to manipulate the press in favor of your clients!
It was pretty obvious!
Yes, I’ve been posting here for probably 5 or 6 years under this name in anticipation of this project!
Google is your friend. Probably your only one.
Moron.
Yup, and it’s obvious where you work. More noteworthy is your very predictable lowering of the debate to the conclusion that others are “morons” when they don’t agree with your opinion. I would of thought the family would have taught you better in public relations. Oh. That’s right, I forgot, you must of learned the “moron-reduction” in culinary school. I’d suggest you go back to cooking, because PR isn’t a good fit for you!
I hate to waste my time with people like you, and I don’t care what you believe, but if you bothered to pay attention to the Dagger for the past several years, you would know that I have no connection to this organization, this project, or this community.
But it’s so much more fun for you to come here and make up “facts”, isn’t it?
Seems fairly obvious in the past year that the development owners purchased this land to take advantage of a sleepy rural and residential neighborhood to line their pockets with the cash from a commercial enterprise. I don’t think the farmers on the county council who worked to modify agricultural zoning about six years ago ever intended for opportunists like this to grab hold of greed and painfully hurt such a pristine rural road with wonderful neighbors. These land barons certainly would be better off putting their commercial operation with event and wedding venues on one of major commercial routes in the county. Who on earth cuts in a large paved parking lot around a “horse barn”? Something smells horribly wrong with this plan, and it ain’t the horses.
I don’t see any road or parking lot “around” the barn, those features are only in front of the barn.
The offset from the road looks about 250′ to the parking lot, and the barn is ~600′ from the road. The builder could easily use dark-sky lighting to prevent light pollution on surrounding properties, and a band playing at 110 db at the venue’s front door would be reduced to 64db at 600′, or, about the level of an average conversation.
Can the Fords (the neighbors across the street and the closest house that I can find) hear someone having a conversation while standing in the road from their house? Plus, any band would be playing inside the venue, or in the fenced field behind it, not at the front door since a parking lot isn’t a very good place for dancing, further reducing the noise.
Property owners are allowed to use their land for profit, especially on a 50 acre plot with agricultural zoning. Don’t forget, there’s always the option of a hog farm and absentee ownership, if they wanted to go scorched earth…
don’t agree. This plan isn’t a concert hall at the Meyerhof. We celebrate and drink booze at weddings. When the hundreds strangers arrive and leave this location at the big party event, are you telling us Fred’s not going to hear the boom boxes in the cars and the party streamers while the bride and groom leave for the honeymoon? Please get real and stop with the non sense. And by the way, Mrs Limberger, or Kharn, please read Money Tree’s comment below. Your neighbors don’t care about your stupid threats. You should stick to filing lawsuits against builders and caretakers for 8 million bucks. You’re pretty successful at that.
Kharn – What you are saying about the sound issue was said at the first CIM by one the Limberger’s consultants – maybe it was you. I’ll reiterate here the response to those sound comment. I live 3/4 of a mile as the crow flies from the back of the proposed commercial building – the side you suggest the outdoor bands will be located . I can hear the cows moo and roosters crow at the Umbarger farm across the street from 517 Glenville Road. I can also hear cars going down Route 155 over a mile away and I can hear a train going through Havre De Grace 9 miles away under certain conditions. I’m not sure why it is that these facts contradict your sound theory, but I am sure I will be able to hear songs like The Electric Slide at 11:00pm every Friday and Saturday night from June through October if this commercial venue is allowed to be built. Perhaps it’s the lack of noise pollution in our area that makes it possible to hear the beautify sounds of nature. And that’s why I like where I live just the way it is. I also will reiterate Teddy’s comment about animal abuse. I can’t imagine what it will be like for the horses beneath the dance floor. And the flies at the receptions will be interesting. Or maybe there will be no horses when it’s all said and done, after the building is built and no one outside of our neighborhood cares about the issue any more.
If the next CIM goes like the first, remember this every time you hear the Limberger’s attorney John Gestner and the consultants say “We don’t think blah, blah, blah”, say to yourself, what they are also saying is “but if I’m wrong what do we care because I won’t see it, hear it, or otherwise have to live with it from my house”.
Well if you are hearing trains, that run 24/7 365 and local traffic it seems a few hours of parties on a couple of weekends a year isn’t going to make much difference.
Seriously you residents should consult a PR firm or think about what you say before saying it, your complaining is actually hurting your position
John,
You might want to check Harford County’s noise ordinance.
Violations are only between 11pm and 6am, agricultural operations and businesses are two exemptions to the ordinance.
So the band can go until 10:59 every night without running afoul of the law even under the strictest interpretation. And last I checked, horses do just fine in fenced pasture, they don’t have to live in the barn.
I thought it was you Lisa. That’s what your neighbors want to hear. Let the band play until 10:59pm – screw the neighbors! I’m sure the BAPD will be happy to monitor that situation since they have so many officers and so little territory to cover.
Too bad I’m already married or I’d book the first wedding at Regent with the loudest slash metal band I could find just so you could enjoy the music. Until 10:59pm.
Kharn/Lisa,
Something tells me you’re already planning to do that.
I’m not Lisa.
A hog farm is preferable to these pigs.
This seems like a bit of snowballing and waffling on the part of the “landowners”. Trying to force industry into a residential neighborhood doesn’t seem to fit with caring about your neighbors or the surrounding land/wildlife/area.
Also, I can’t help but leave this here after seeing the abuse too many times in the quotes/article.
http://begthequestion.info/
Hey Dirt, I do agree with you on one thing you said, “I have no connection to…this community”. Your words, not mine. Yet, you egregiously elect to insult and manipulate the situation which you know very little about except what you learn on “Google”. Finally, odd choice of words about “making up FACTS” when you scroll up to the article above and see a FACT SHEET written and presented by a PR firm. Just because I’ve seen you making comments here in the past doesn’t mean you don’t work for them.
“Paranoia strikes deep. Into your life it will creep.”
Wow! Phil Dirt quoting from a C, S & N song.
This, from a man who’s been posting on The Dagger for almost as long as Crosby, Stills & Nash have been recording together!
You da man Phil Dirt! (For What it’s Worth!) 🙂
Well folks, this is Harford County. You need to make some influential friends quickly
Is it just me? I mean “if” you really want to build a barn for your children based on “I have a new dream” versus a catering hall aka “the old dream”, why wouldn’t the dream tell you to use your own existing driveway for the dream goers and have the parking lot with signs and lights tucked behind your stone house? That way you could access your catering hall, sorry I mean barn, from your house and not from the road where neighbors often ride bikes, jog and walk? Also, why wouldn’t you plan to have horses in the barn, versus in a basement stall under the barn? When you have your shin-digs in the barn, won’t the horses suffer from the noise above them? Sounds like animal abuse to me and I’d check with an equine veterinary specialist before you lock the horses up under the wedding venue; I mean storage barn.
Build, Build, Build, I love it, I hope there is not a blade of grass left in the stinking county. It couldn’t happen to a better county.
Who spends over a million dollars to store just 4 horses (planned stalls) under a barn? Something’s not right.
These horse add-ons to this plan are clearly zoning props. There isn’t a qualified equine veterinarian that would sign off on horse stalls under a catering hall for parties and receptions (which is spelled out in the proposed CIM notice plan). This is animal abuse to these horses to a high degree. Also, the property already has a horse barn behind the house, so wouldn’t make more sense to expand that structure rather than try to sell this catering hall as a barn?
A property owner can’t be compelled to make smart business decisions.
The Regent At Pretend Farm. Lol.
Hopefully one of the adjacent neighbors has pigs already and if not – get some, a bunch of them…put your effluent pond as close to the boundary of this property and downwind if you can. 2 wonderful things will happen – it’ll stink up the place big time and the flies….wonderful having swarms of pig shat fatted flies landing in the casserole.
great comment Money Tree. Actually, that is precisely what the developers threatened to do to their standing neighbors if they didn’t get approved by Planing and Zoning.
To which the neighbors would say – that’s fine. It’s ag property. The people that live up there appreciate livestock and could give two hoots so that’s hardly a threat. The wedding guests not so much. It would be hilarious. Can you imagine everybody all dressed up and pinching their noses. Flies all over the food.
The people of Glenville rd should rally around the past victory they had stopping Jim from having that yearly pig roast on his farm. Good god the cars, the drunks, the music.
Great combo and so well thought out. Carloads of drunken wedding guests in from out of town that can barely walk not to mention drive, and don’t know the area. Let’s load them up on a narrow windy, not well maintained country road with limited visibility. But who cares really about visibility when you can only see out of one eye anyway.
Dear nameless “dagger reader” that wrote this letter. You might want to consult a PR company, statements like this will not help your cause. You make it sound like your pristine rural neighborhood has taken a drastic turn for the worst in the last 2 years.
“One point we all need to consider is the fact that since December 2013, we have seen over twenty different sheriff cars in the neighborhood. In the thirty years before that, other than an officer who lived down the street going to and from work, along with an occasional sheriff to shoot radar at our request, we never saw any law enforcement. We never needed it and we are proud of that fact.”
The comment about the police cars definitely made it sound like a neighborhood in need of development and turning around, not a peaceful community…
Sounds like it’s turning into Brookside Dr of the North.
Sounds like the Eva Mar farm where they had to tear down the original 100+ year old house that the original farmers lived because the local hoodlums kept setting it on fire.
Social media (dagger being part of said such social media) is an important part of modern strategies to promote image and drive dialogue. If you want to save your neighborhood ignore attempts to demean and degrade your message wherever it comes from, know what you’re dealing with because there’s always big money at stake and be not afraid and stick together. They want to wear you down and make you feel demoralized as if the entire county supports just about any and all development, last moment zoning changes and ill advised weakening of development regulations – trust me they don’t. Most of the time developers know in advance they won’t get what they want on the first pass and so ask for the moon – they know you will lose steam for the second go round and that’s when they win. These are carefully designed controlled efforts made by PR firms to manipulate the public with false information and propaganda. Screw em – it’s your neighborhood and you have a right to interfere using any and all legal means available.
Looking at Google maps for this address. Is this proposed for the fields that abut Glenville Rd., or back by the large pond?
Look for the U-shaped driveway on Glenville Road North-East of the intersection with Oak Farm Road, the barn’s driveway would be approximately there.
When will the next bicyclist death occur?
Will it be when someone is looking for the EVENT BARN because they are unfamiliar with the
small two lane road OR will it be when an inebriated guest leaves the EVENT BARN?
I see a repeat of the horrible occurrence in Roland Park and Glenville Road doesn’t even have
a bike lane.
Right on soaring eagle and while we are courting the realm of incredible stupidity how about if terrorists take off from Aldino and fly into the barn. Can we be too careful? Just imagin the innocent lives that could be lost.
Hey Turkey Buzzard: The Regent at Stone House fits my definition of “incredible stupidity” and if you know Glenville Road, we have more cyclists riding on it than in Roland Park where a recent fatality in fact just occurred. ” Kharn”, aka Lisa Limberger, and “I”, aka Tim Limberger, will need a lot more than a recent big bank account, a Fallston PR group, and a slick lawyer when something tragic occurs like what happened to the bicycle rider by a drunk driver. Go ahead and make fun about terrorists all you want. The only terrorist I’ve seen On Glenville Road is some lady who rides around in a black sedan, beeping and honking their horn behind law abiding citizens because she thinks they looked cross-eyed at a fence post and then calls the sheriff. By the way, how does it feel to have the neighbors speak the truth on the Dagger forum when you can’t shut them up or cut them off like you did with your propagandist Aegis article and like you did at the last CIM? Keep calling your friends to thumbs down our comments so you don’t have to read the truth.
lol
I think it’s hilarious that you think I’m the Limbergers’. Do some better opposition research next time.
Hey! i thought I was the Limbergers! No, wait, I’m Rob from the PR firm… I think. Maybe?
Here’s a hint: “Uninvolved citizen who feels property rights shouldn’t be subject to mob rule.”
Hey, is this the woman I heard about who was chasing teenagers in her car if they dared to toot their horn at the Ford’s property? Wow, I sure hope not for the neighbors’ sake. OMG!
Arnie: not sure but looks like the same woman listed on Google that filed a lawsuit of litigating and settling with a Dundalk caretaker for 8 million and a churchville builder with the bank for another 2 million or so. Very popular and busy woman. Not sure how she has the time to ride around and honk, while the husband is busy building the event and catering hall right in the middle of a residential neighborhood, sorry, I mean “bank” barn; and believe it or not, that is the title of the barn in the above drawing at the very top of this page …Bank…is that a Freudian slip or what? Oh, sorry engineer, you might get the “you’re fred” call from the Limbergers soon????. Although, I could be wrong, she might be happy about the title Bank Barn and selected it herself.
Khorn,
Bank barns are a historical style of building.
They’re built into a hillside so that two different levels are accessible from ground level, the upper level was the hay loft and the lower level the stable.
Why are Harford county residents so anti small business? Here we have some one willing to invest their time and money to start a business and bring much needed paying jobs to the county. This has the potential for helping other small business’s that they will need. Where are you people when it comes to business’s like Brads produce? They have people coming and going at all hours and hold activities at the farm. Should we all band together to shut them down? How about the local vineyards that hold tastings and sell retail? They are putting potential drunks on our county roads. Should we band together and shut them down?
With out small business this county will die, the county council should be all over this but instead are allowing a few NIMBY’s to attempt to control the discussion.
You people should be ashamed of your selves. If someone wants to open a legitimate business it is their God given right. Don’t like it? Move to Russia.
A real capitalist would see Regent being built, and build a bed & breakfast on their property nearby. Churchville is such a nice area for business conferences, team-building get-aways, etc, I’m sure they’d do well.
Oh, no one wants to do that and compete with YOUR B&B.
Alright Walter, enough please. When you want to start a small business, you knock down a building on Fulton street and erect a healthcare consulting firm. That’s where it belongs and more power to them. If you want to create a wedding venue and event hall from some dream you had, go to the Richlin Ballroom and ask the if they would sell their perfectly zoned business to you or start your own. Please don’t school us about God, Russia and our constitutional rights. As far as a few NIMBY’s, why don’t you take a ride down Glenville Road and count the number of residents that have “no regent at stone house” on their lawns. Then count the number that don’t have “no” signs like 517 glenville road. Maybe you should consider editing your comment from a few NIMBY’s to and overwhelming majority of voting adults in the next county council election. Heaven forbid these NIMBY’s form an alliance with The Eva-mar NIMBY’s and the expanded aldino runway NIMBY’s to turn around a zoning code that just makes no sense.
Richlin Ballroom doesn’t have fields of grass, picturesque horses & stables, etc, for wonderful pictures. Denny’s and Burger King as backdrops just can’t compare.
The former Esses residents think when you get married at the Richland ball room you have truly made it in life Hon.
Hey Walt, let’s not kick Essex. The Limbergers hail from Dundalk and wouldn’t want you to bad mouth their original neighbors in any way, shape or form!
Ok Lisa, how about buying the 75 acre Wagner Farm on 22 which is in Churchville, and has no Denny’s or Burger Kings? It will have good road access and all the room to build you very latest dream, the one before your last dream. It won’t have residents surrounding you on a small country road that can’t support all the damage you and your “small business” event hall will do to your neighbors dreams. I guess that idea won’t work for you because there just aren’t enough NIMBY’s in that area that you can walk over and attempt to intimidate.
Hey Rj how about you buy Wagners Farm and put Lisa out of her future successful business?
Seems you have the time to start a small business of your own and heck you don’t have to have an original idea, steal hers.
Lisa, please come to Eva Mar where you would be welcomed with open arms. All you need to do is outbid Presbyterian Home for the 50 acres it plans to purchase. We would take your party barn over the four story 514 unit monstrosity that is planned for Eva Mar any day of the week. We promise there would be no opposition and we might even take up a collection to help you with the purchase.
But wait . . .scratch that. Our zoning code would prohibit a much less obnoxious party barn on R1. Even though it allows a four story 514 unit commercial operation on R1. In fact our zoning code would allow up to a 1,250 unit facility on that property at 25 units per acre.
This is not intended to detract from the case of the Party Barn opposition. It is just to point out the quirks in our zoning code that get people so upset. You live next door to AG zoned property and you wind up with an event center next door. You live next door to R1 zoned property and you get a 514 unit commercial operation next door. Neither project belongs at either location.
You can’t use R1 zoned property as you can Ag zoned?
Well then it’s a good thing that farm is going to be developed, it’s not zoned to grow corn.
You people are not shy about showing your ignorance on these matters are you?
I have two No Regent signs on my property, but my neighbor doesn’t have any. He is businessman and exercises caution about such displays. He did tell me flatly, though, that if we need his voice to fight the Limbergers’ plan, he is with us all the way.
sorry Walt, I can’t steal her idea because lisa already stole the idea from the Bonita Farm which is just three miles away. Anyway, wishful thinking that her future endeavor will be successful. Maybe some day she can sell her farm to foreign investors like Bonita Farm and have another stolen idea I can’t use? Oh well, you are such a brilliant rhetorical scholar and I appreciate your business savy and advice.
If you believe it’s not going to be successful why even bother opposing it?
Is this the property right across from the elementary school where the two pasture palaces are located? That doesn’t seem like a proper place for such a business.
Limbergers are the fifth residents there in the last 40 years, an average of only eight years each. That’s giving me hope these johnny-come-lately dorks won’t be around all that long.
Fran, that’s because the ghost of The Very Reverend William Finney rises from the grave about every seven years and gives the residents a come to Jesus moment. I’m hoping Reverend Finney wakes up a little early this time around and gets a little pissed at a party barn sitting on his property.
Actually, that may slightly be true. There have also been a few deaths on the property.
its very interesting that Limberger’s have not made any friends with any of their past neighbors, Glenville Road-home and property, HDG, Aberdeen, BelAir if you do some research you will find much discontent, lies, legal issues- the cycle continues with the stone house…….the common denominator is them not their past neighbors.(make sure you invite them tomorrow night).
this is a business is for their financial gain, with no concern for their neighbors. this idea for a “barn” for equine events- has a similar feel to another “horse” farm nearby. how long have they been involved in the equine world anyway? 2 years maybe? this is not a family dream this “project is a side hobby”as tim limberger stated to the sun article. beware neighbors! lots of smoke and screens going on, they have 1 goal to build a venue.
To me the bigger concern is if this is built, what will come of it when they get tired of this “project” and move on, after their average 8 year stay. who will buy and run it next, definitely a train wreck waiting to happen.
my advice to the limbergers is to live in the home you purchased and enjoy it, make friends with your neighbors instead of enemies, donate to your community and to the equine hobby you love. everything in life is not about a business opportunity and making money, you can’t take your dear money with you when you die, you take the relationships with you and right now your building more enemies then friends in your own back yard. do this for your girls, i can’t imagine they are making too many friends because of your actions and if its not effecting them now it surly will one day soon when you cant shelter them from the community that your trying to hurt. enjoy the you beautiful property as you bought it, your girls will be happier and so will you if you can live in peace.
Not a farm, while all of that sounds good to you, it’s just emotional drivel and personal opinion. This project can’t and won’t be stopped because of inexperience in the equine world or they have no friends in their old neighborhood. It will not be stopped because they are in it for financial gain and you consider that an issue. It will not be stopped because you fear they will get tired, these are just not valid reasons to stop the project.
Here’s an idea for you, stop trying to force your neighbors to do things they do not want. Stop telling them how to run their lives. Stop telling them how to raise their daughters. It’s none of you GD business or concern what anyone else does beside your self. Stop being a miserable old busybody and get a life.
“walter” seems to be drinking the limberger juice and is very invested in this “project”
here’s an idea for your to pass along to your buddies who will stop at nothing to get their way- we all get that point “nothing” or “no-one” will stop this “project”- as they see it in the above post.
we all get the point the limbergers could care less about their neighbors, their community and the property based on their actions
what is funny is how you don’t think this will effect the children you say you love so much- unless you bus them so far away to a school, i cant imagine any parent in the community wanting their kids to associate with your kids. i doubt your going to make friends with any parents from your kids schools. How uncomfortable are all those school events going to be when everyone is talking behind you and your kids backs. You cant stop people and kids from talking, there is still freedom of speech.
Eventually your girls will realize why they have no friends in their town, and they will hear for themselves the truth and there is no amounts of money or trips to disney that will heal those lies.
think about this- everyone will start minding their own business when you stop thinking of your needs,wants, and business plans matter above all others. find a dream that will benefit others rather then just seeing your wallet grow. find a dream, hobby or project that will not change, effect or hurt others, especially your neighbors and kids. this may be a new concept for you try, but i suggest it. once you can do this then we will all mind our our GB business.
Ahh.. down to veiled threats,fear and intimidation from the towns people.
Welcome to little Russia in Harford county.
Well done.
No problem here with real farmers selling farm products. But these troublemaking refugees from Parts Unknown don’t have an agricultural product to sell; they are peddling a service. It simply doesn’t wash.
Foisting a commercial operation like Regent at Faux Farm on a quiet rural community is the issue. It has nothing to do with being anti-small business or pro-small business.
This is no quiet rural community within 2 miles there is a college, gardiners furniture and food lion in a mostly abandon shopping center. A Crown gas station that has been boarded up for decades, a Wendy’s that is now also abandoned, Some no name gas station with an assortment of illegal smoking devices in a display case. An old dive in movie, minature golf course royal Farm store Movie theaters and a number of restaurants and bars. Don’t know what your definition of “rural” is but this certainly is not rural. The only thing missing is hookers and a lake trout eatery.
2 miles is an ocean when we’re talking about the difference between inside or outside the development envelope. I live within 2 miles of the mall right across from a working farm and that sure doesn’t mean it would make sense to draw a concentric circle from the mall and fill that space in it’s entirety with commercial development. Good land use planning means preserving neighborhoods, maintaining commerce where it works and providing traffic safety for sensible ingress/egress for residents and others. A 2 mile proximity means zilch for this conversation. Having an anything goes attitude about development is pure foolishness and dooms an area to become a pile of crap (eg. York Rd). The sad fact is these absolutists is terms of private property rights try to pass it off as the difference between liberal and conservative, democrat or republican and for the most part have been successful in creating falsehoods, but anybody with brain cells can smell propaganda a mile away. Being interested in keeping Harford a safe, healthy and decent place to live requires you care about how the county is developed and enforcing regulations to provide best land use policies is just as constitutional as somebody’s right to put an enormous health facility 5 stories high in the middle of a neighborhood.
The word of the day is “Rural” What the heck are you ranting about money tree you are scaring the children.
You’re far too predictable. Suddenly a “walter mellon” posting on Dagger and only on this thread and only about this development. Either you have a vested interest or you just moved here and I’m thinking the former. I’ve lived here a very long time and care about the county – I know what you folks do because this isn’t the first time.
Can’t refute the facts so deflect the discussion and attack the messenger. Talk about far too predictable.
The fact is 2 mile proximity to a grocery store is not justification for a commercial development. That’s a stupid fact if you think that fact supports your conclusion. Your argument makes zero sense. Argue on it’s merits because there are legal merits but arguing over distance is just plain dumb.
What part of it’s not a commercial development don’t you understand? These are accepted uses of ag land no matter where it is. But make no mistake there is nothing “rural” about this area of churchville and that was the discussion before you felt the need to deflect again.
Walter (or maybe it’s Tim),
I see where the code allows the use of AG land for parties and receptions. “Use” being the operative word. Please show me where code says you can use AG land for commercial development unrelated to agriculture and farming (like Brooms Bloom). I believe the Party Barn is commercial development and it ain’t being built for the stalls.
Also, to answer your question about what makes this part of Churchville rural, particularly Glenville Rd, when you drive Glenville Road to Deths Ford, or a bit further to Harmony Church, there are three ways out (unless you turn around). Two of those three ways out are public dirt roads. That to me is rural.
There may be accepted uses for “ag” land and you indeed have suddenly found the only logical argument you’ve to this point made. If I were the neighbors I’d demand a traffic study – that’ll put the skids on the entire thing at least until somebody addresses potential traffic concerns.
You can demand all the traffic studies you want but you can’t limit the use of AG land via a traffic study. You are attempting to grasp straws that are not there.
And I will ask again what does any of your nonsensical ranting have to do with Smokey Joes claim this is a quiet rural community?
You can also limit the liquor license and liquor being served on site if you make the right case. And yes, you can limit commercial activities and any sort of land – including “ag” land if it’s found to generate a traffic hazard.
Money Tree,
Some of those issues have been addressed by the owner. I’m saying that to save you some time. The best thing to do is come to the Community Input Meeting tonight, 6:00pm at Harford Tech and hear what the developers have to say. There you can voice whatever additional concerns you have. The Protect Rural Neighborhood folks looking out for their Community will have a table set up in the lobby where you can sign up to be kept informed as the drama plays out. If you get to them early enough they may have a No Regent tee shirt for you.
Caution – at the meeting there will be a sign-in sheet for the county that requires a name only. You are not required to put your address or e-mail address on that sign-in sheet regardless of what columns are available. This was not clear to those who signed in for the last CIM.
John:
First off I’ll admit I don’t know the code off the top of my head and am certainly not looking it up for you but since Bonita farms is doing the same exact thing I find it unlikely Billy is operating an illegal wedding venue. Please do us the favor you look up where they are not allowed.
Second you can have all the dirt roads you want that by definition is not rural.
Third I’m not tim.
Three strikes…. Yer out.
Really?? those against.. Listen to yourselves? This is unreal and to bring discussion of children is deplorable. Say a prayer tonight for forgiveness compassion and kindness. Leave the Limbergers alone and get on with your lives. Use your energy towards something you can be proud of and be an example of a real neighbor.
Agree with Walter. You should be ashamed of yourselves. Get a life and move on.
WaterMellon: this was posted in today’s Aegis, editorial page. I’m thinking it sounds more like you and your PR team practice the art of war and Russian tactics versus the No Regent Folks! What do you think about this article:? Is any of Mr. Llyods statements not a true fact? I don’t see any “you people are from Russia” comments or any veiled threats here, do you?
Irritated by report on venue
Editor:
Last week’s story in The Aegis on the proposed event venue to be known as The Regent At Stone House was so laced with stretchers and misleading statements I was left wondering if the reporter hadn’t pulled an Art Schlichter (pronounced Schlee.ster) on us.
Schlichter, an All-American quarterback at Ohio State, was the fourth pick in the 1982 NFL draft. His forgettable pro career in Baltimore was intercepted early-on by a compulsive gambling demon. The one-time magazine cover boy, widely thought of as a straight arrow, eventually ended up in prison.
When a reporter asked Schlichter what had happened to him, he replied: “Once you sacrifice your principles, the rest comes easy.”
I might ask the Aegis reporter who crafted the event venue story the same question. Or how about: Have you no shame?
The story relies on information provided by three people, all of whom share a common interest in seeing this stone cold commercial venture on agricultural land come to life smack dab in the middle of a quiet community connected by a serpentine two-lane road. They are property owner, Tim Limberger, his attorney, John Gessner, and Limberger’s public relations flack, Rob Weinhold. It takes special influence to have that kind of stacked lineup dispensing propaganda for “balanced reporting” after first getting the local press to tag along.
According to the story, Mr. Gessner said the Limbergers decided to have a second Community Input Meeting (CIM) in order to present various changes to original plans for the facility. Mr. Gessner apparently forgot that during the first CIM, which was held in August, he stated a second such meeting would be held. That meeting saw an estimated 200 people unable to gain entrance into the crowded large room at Harford Community College due to fire code regulations. It was late getting started and ended early, rendering the agenda incomplete.
Mr. Weinhold’s statements give the impression the Limbergers are living under constant threat from the neighborhood, which is widely considered to be an absurdity on its face. He provided no example to bolster his assertion.
Mr. Limberger, who has lived on the property for about 390 days, stated in the story that the late Rev. William Finney, the original owner of the Glenville Road property, was responsible for changing the area’s name to Churchville from Crossroads (actually Lower Crossroads). Had Mr. Limberger delved deeper, he would have discovered that prior to being named Lower Crossroads, the area was known as Good Neighborhood. That’s the way those of us who live here still think of our community…a good neighborhood that will become much less of a one once commercial developers get a foothold.
Allen M. Lloyd
Churchville
I’m sure you are trying to make some sort of point but you didn’t do a very good job of it. Care to try again? This time in english?
Sure here it is for the second time in english or do you prefer Russian since you keep referring to your neighbors as a bunch of Russians:
Dear Watermellon Tim Limberger or hired Drone:
no, you try to answer the question I asked above about the article. Now, I know your very busy preparing with Gessner and Weinhold for the CIM prop meeting at 5pm today and will be tied up with your party afterwards. It a shame you can’t have a tent outside like before so your friends don’t spill cheese and wine on your hardwood floors. Anyway, I know your busy and don’t have the skills or education to answer a simple question like where are the errors in today’s editorial comment in the Aegs???
You should really work on your communication skills, they suck. If the question above is …
“WaterMellon: this was posted in today’s Aegis, editorial page. I’m thinking it sounds more like you and your PR team practice the art of war and Russian tactics versus the No Regent Folks! What do you think about this article:? ”
The answer would be not much, it really isn’t saying anything, Actually kinda resembles moneytrees nonsensical ratings.
Any other questions?
Again, for the “third” time Tim: in today’s Aegis editorial page, please read the comments by Mr. Lloyd, and point out any errors. If reading is difficult, or a diversionary tactic, I’ll ask you personally tonight at the CIM if your hired goons give me a chance to use the mic. Just to clarify once again, since English is certainly a challenge for you, POINT OUT THE ERRORS IN THE EDITORIAL COMMENT! Please.
PS: here’s a little help: “There are none”, would be an acceptable and honorable answer
Actually I don’t see any but then again the editorial really doesn’t say anything. I’m sure the Aegis staff had a good laugh when they decided to print it, as it really comes off a bit nutty in content.
Oh and for future reference if you are asking a question could you end it with one of these…. “?”
Seriously Tim, thank you for the admission that there were no factual errors in the articles about your last CIM. I’d also like to agree that this forum is social media and not Mrs. Abromitis’ English Literature class. When you mispelled the word “ratings” with a typo, and meant to say “rantings”, no one missed a beat. Punctuation and grammar are not high on the list in this forum. We get your message; you’d like to build a catering hall on a farm. Period. See ya’ tonight “?”
You are welcome.
And do yourself a favor and call Tim Walter Mellon it’ll be a hoot and add a whole new level to your credibility Fred,
Ok, thanks for the tip, my friend. But wouldn’t it be better to call you Watermellon tonight “?” I think Lisa will be happier because I’m not sure she liked your comment this morning regarding after you build the party barn, the only thing missing is hookers and lake trout eateries in Churchville; and if I call you Watermellon, it might fit with your farm theme better and make her laugh louder. She needs a good laugh!
Punctuation really isn’t your strong suit is it?
Well try and hunt Tim down around 6 and I’ll be sure to post here at the same time proving once and for all your paranoia has driven you bat shit crazy Fred.
Well, now that you mention it, I see that clear and logical thinking is not even a weak suit for you. Is it”?”. I’ve got a smart phone that looks a heck of a lot smarter than you Timbo. If you post at 6pm, I’ll see if your security detail isn’t surrounding you so I can take a picture of you texting. I’m beginning to think you live in this counter-world called Libtardia where nothing you say makes sense, except your strong desire to have the last word. So, Timmy my boy, have at it!
Look Tim, on second thought, let’s just be friends. I wouldn’t want Lisa to catch you texting the Dagger at the big CIM meeting. I mean, everybody knows she wears the pants in the family and if honeydew catches her little watermellon texting during the meeting she might get upset. Maybe it would be better if we just met for lunch tomorrow at that closed down Wendy’s you talked about earlier “?”
Well here it is 6 pm and I’m guessing you have a solid bead on Tim. Tell him I said hi. Oh boy it sure is cold out, couldn’t imagine having to listen to a bunch of whiny ass holes I do feel sorry for Tim. I’m watching the news, just threw another log on the fire, chicken is in the oven and I have a big old Kettle one on the rocks with tomolives marinating.Yummmmmmm.
Oh and about lunch tomorrow, sorry I’ll be in Abingdon my schedule is normally a little more complex than what’s happening in the next 12 hours . I don’t spend my days in the basement melting down over successful people and their endeavors, something you should try and why would you go somewhere that is out of business to eat lunch? That’s just weird.
Enjoy your insanity.
Cheers…. Walter.
Geeze Middle 15 minutes have passed and you can’t respond on your smart phone?
Seriously?
Oh well chickens almost done.
Tim, quick….kiss Lisa now…or you’re the chicken…lol
Hey Middle did you see that SHA gave walmart their entrance on to 924?
Oh man you guys don’t stand a chance in hell. Enjoy whining in the cold for nothing.
Let’s put an MTA bus stop directly from Baltimore City there.
Rich, over privileged white people don’t need to be the only ones enjoying country life.
Maybe the redline will make it to Bel air and Fallston, that would be great. They need to build some section 8 in Bel air and Fallston, High rises like the ones they demolished in Balto. city, the ones with the fences on the balconies. I want nothing but the best for the Sht Hole county and the people in it.
Johnny-Come-Lately developers to Churchville residents: Drop dead!
Lets see we have Delbert Doyle, Fran M and Mickey McG all using the phrase “Johnny-Come-Lately” with in minutes of each other. Truth be told probably 1/2 the people here against stone house are probably all Fred in his basement.
Wrong again. The vast majority of the people in these threads are:
1. Lisa Limberger
2. Tim Limberger
3. The Limberger Drones that work for them.
Fred has not visited the comment section. Fred does not work in his basement. In case you haven’t noticed, Fred works outside at a table in sunlight directly on Glenville Road were everyone can see him and talk to him. The Limbergers on the other hand work in the dark through lies like “I’m not Lisa”, a hired PR Firm in Fallston, and a Tank Lawyer,.
Clearly you are new to the dagger comments because those being accused have been posting here for years. If you are claiming the Limbergers have been plotting this since the inception of the Dagger I would disagree with you. In fact that lacking up and down votes to support you claim is more than obvious, it’s frantic fred at work.
Sad: I have a suggestion for you. Wake up, come up from your basement, put on your sweatpants and drive down Glenville road this morning. What you will in fact see is every plot of land with a house on it has a lawn sign that says “no regent at stone house”. Some of those folks have lived there for 30 years. The only house without a no sign is 517 Glenville Road which instead has signs that says “no trespassing”. Please don’t try to impress me with you dagger experience because if in fact that we’re true, social media may possibly be your only talent and even at that you have failed miserably. As far as your up and down remark, go look at the signs of the residents on the road and count your up and downs at ground zero! In the meantime, here’s a little tune for you and your Kharn learder to listen too while your pulling up your sweatpants and putting on your sneakers. By the way, it’s 18 degrees in Churchville this morning, so bundle up Bucky !
http://youtu.be/OCLriJjBC30
Relax people, Las Vegas glitz is coming to Churchville. You’ll love it (or at least you’ll eventually get used to it…maybe.)
Do not talk about my property.
To ask for something with an earnestness proportioned to the belief that it will not be given.
Who is that, father?
A mendicant, child,
Haggard, morose, and unaffable — wild!
See how he glares through the bars of his cell!
With Citizen Mendicant all is not well.
Why did they put him there, father?
Because
Obeying his belly he struck at the laws.
His belly?
Oh, well, he was starving, my boy —
A state in which, doubtless, there’s little of joy.
No bite had he eaten for days, and his cry
Was “Bread!” ever “Bread!”
What’s the matter with pie?
With little to wear, he had nothing to sell;
To beg was unlawful — improper as well.
Why didn’t he work?
He would even have done that,
But men said: “Get out!” and the State remarked: “Scat!”
I mention these incidents merely to show
That the vengeance he took was uncommonly low.
Revenge, at the best, is the act of a Siou,
But for trifles —
Pray what did bad Mendicant do?
Stole two loaves of bread to replenish his lack
And tuck out the belly that clung to his back.
Is that all father dear?
There’s little to tell:
They sent him to jail, and they’ll send him to — well,
The company’s better than here we can boast,
And there’s —
Bread for the needy, dear father?
Um — toast.
Let’s see you want to stop the development on AG zoned property.
But you probably can’t.
But if you did succeed the property owners could get a big tent and rent it out for a party now.
If Tim and crew are really reading this here’s an idea. If there is a sign to honk if you are against stone house, you should put one up that says honk if you support stone house.
And watch the melt down.
PS I’d put a camera on the sign the friendly neighbors can’t be trusted.
Didn’t know he had a “friendly” that wasn’t on the payroll.
Well it looks like the Stone house just has to out last Fred Fords house forecloser according to MD judiciary search
Oh how the junk mail king of lutherville has fallen.
Mrs. Simons, could you please confirm your address off of Glenview Ct, so I can run a background check on you? I’ve got the area but not your exact address yet, so if you’ll keep posting like a true Limberger drone, I might be able to get closer. Or you could save me the time and put a table out on your lawn tomorrow supporting the catering hall. It’s only fair since Mr. Ford doesn’t hide behind dagger cloak like you!
Seriously? This is the same guy who for years inundated people with junk mail they didn’t ask for nor want but as long as he could make a buck on the backs of piece workers it was full steam ahead? Didn’t he have planes out of Glen L Martin airport years ago?
Wow how does someone with all that live in a house for 30 years and not only hasn’t he paid for it but his mortgage is now going unpaid. Seems the rotten apple who is going to affect home values in the area may not be who we initially suspected. Gee Fred if you can’t afford to live in your house maybe if you reach out to your successful neighbors perhaps they would buy your house and rent it back to you.
Yes, seriously! It is so typical and predictable when you cannot debate on the merits of the law or the rules, to then attack the opposition personally. As pointed out by the Judge, we should admire anyone who puts out a table in broad daylight and invites people, for or against, to talk about the issue. I don’t see the developers or any of their supporters (factually, by sign count – an extremely low number) with that kind of courage and conviction and it speaks volumes about the tactics that the Regent team lowers themselves to with all the personal attacks in this forum. If personal attacks through researching the Maryland Judiciary Case Search is your litmus test for honor and integrity, you should put in the name Limberger and see what comes up. If you like slinging dirt Mr. Wells, be careful what you wish for!
Oddly enough Frank, I did what you suggested and put their name in.So what is it that you came up with that apparently no one else did?
Are they not paying their bills like Fred?
Dis you have a point man? Just pit it out we are all adults here.
Yes, Mr. Wells, thank you for getting back to me. I’m sorry you missed my point, please accept my apology. I tried to explain that whatever you think of Mr. Ford, he has a first amendment right to have and express an opinion about the neighborhood in which he resides, regardless of his personal history or financial situation. Respectfully, my point was, if you could also put out a table in front of your house, I would be perfectly happy to visit the table and have a discussion with you about zoning regulations for agricultural land in Harford county. You must realize that is what this entire forum is about. In my analysis, 99 percent of every residence, mostly professionals, doctors, lawyers, retired military and business people do not believe their reading of the zoning regulation permits an event catering hall serving alcoholic beverages next to their residential properties. I would be much appreciative if you would stay on point rather than degrading the discussion to case searches and opposition research. I can’t answer why your search doesn’t show the findings I have reviewed. Perhaps we have a different security clearance. I hope you take my suggestion and put out a table at your house with the sign “Mr. Wells supports the Stone House”. Finally, if you like, I could copy all the Web searches and the Case searches that are publicly available on your clients and paste them in this forum for you to see. However, that would be contrary to the subject matter which is clearly stated in the article written at the very top of this page. I also speculate that your clients are strictly held mute under a legal gag order whereby they cannot discuss the monetary settlement publicly, so it really wouldn’t be fair to us to even have an open discussion about their case search backgrounds and it would be advisable that you do not push the full disclosure issue if you reply. I hope this helps you understand, and yes, you made an excellent point that most of us are adults. Thank you.
So did fred get refinancing? Poor guy who makes payments for 30 years and still doesn’t own their house?
I did it in 14 years and never owned a plane or had a pilot in my employ.
Hey fred put out a hat we can all put loose change in it.
Hey well pump, I see in the search base Lisa’s business got sued and she got a ticket while overweight and talking on her phone, so what does that have do with this discussion, huh? Wanna hear more, just keep up *itch slapping Fred. You’re pushin’ your luck bucko. Can’t you debate the topic and stop with the personal attacks on one single person out of a minimum of 400 residents that don’t want a poopy party barn? Get real and stop pumping sewage up from your well, Mr.Wells.
You can’t spell BULL**IT without SH (Stone House).
Hey, that looks like a bumper sticker heading idea for Churchville!
I am wondering in The Limbergers have considered The General Regulations from The Maryland Horse Industry Board – looks like another hurdle they MUST jump – LICENSING PERIOD & CIVIL PENALTY SYSTEM:
If you are a stable who solicits the general public, and have ONE or more horses – and either give lessons, board horses, or have a rental service or are a rescue or sanctuary stable, you are required by the State of Maryland to obtain and maintain licensing through the Maryland Horse Industry Board. Licensing is conditioned on periodic inspections by the Maryland Horse Industry Board and failure to comply may result in civil fines and penalties. http://mda.maryland.gov/horseboard/Pages/regulations.aspx
Scroll down to Harford County http://www.mdhorsecouncil.org/MHC%20Guide%20to%20County%20Zoning%20&%20Horses.pdf
Community Input Meeting #2 regarding the Regent At Stone House scheme was even more of a disaster than the first one for the Limbergers, who had no answers to questions about their recently- concocted equine smokescreen.
Skiing is my passion I want a ski slope.
What a joke
The Limbergers latest feeble attempt at the truth has been revealed. The rumored reason they downsized their proposed commercial party barn wasn’t because they listened to their neighbors’ concerns, but rather to avoid the high cost of installing a sewage system to handle the size and scope of the original plan. What a lovely bunch of coconuts we have infesting Churchville!