How did a celebrated bonus for Harford County Public School employees turn into a holiday lump of coal for teachers and a hole in the stocking of the school board’s budget – in only four days?
The story begins with a one-time $1,250 bonus proposed by Harford County Executive David Craig, half of which, or $625, was to be paid before the holidays. Four of the five unions representing Harford County Public School employees agreed to sign on, but the Harford County Education Association (HCEA), the largest union and the one representing teachers, held out. HCEA President Randy Cerveny said that HCEA would not sign a memorandum of understanding accepting the bonus because, by law, the use of school funds had to be negotiated between the union and the school board.
With the Harford County Council set to authorize a transfer of $3.8 million to the school board to pay for the employee bonuses, Councilwoman Mary Ann Lisanti reached out to Cerveny to bring the teachers’ union into the fold. She wanted to know what legislative language would allow the HCEA to sign on.
Working with county attorneys and Cerveny, Lisanti said it was agreed that changing the words “one-time bonus” to the word “payment”, and transferring the funds to the school board specifically for instructional salaries, would bring HCEA on board. In agreement with County Executive Craig’s plan, Lisanti said it was always her intention that the funds would be a one-time payment that would not become part of teachers’ base pay. Council Vice-President Dick Slutzky concurs: “In my mind it was a change of one word that would make it acceptable to HCEA leadership to justify a one-time bonus.”
Tuesday, December 13
Hours before the Council vote authorizing the transfer of funds, Lisanti said she put Cerveny on speakerphone and walked into the office of Council President Billy Boniface so that all parties were crystal clear on the following point: despite the name change, the bonus was a one-time payment and not an amount to be negotiated as salary, either for next year or in a dispute over HCEA’s contract for the current school year, which happened to be pending before the Maryland Public School Labor Relations Board. Later in the evening, the Council voted unanimously to approve a $3.8 million transfer to the school board, enough to pay a $625 bonus to each employee in Harford County Public Schools and just in time for the holidays. What could possibly go wrong?
Wednesday, December 14
Cerveny sent an e-mail to members with a message that appeared to contradict the expressed intent of the County Executive and County Council: Here’s the relevant excerpt from Cerveny’s email:
The fact that the Council passed the bill and the money is now in the school system’s budget is a big win and greatly enhances HCEA’s potential ability to use this money through renegotiations. This Friday, the [Maryland Public School] Labor Board will hold a hearing to determine the money that is to be renegotiated. The money that was just released to HCPS could be part of that pot, meaning that the binding ruling of the Labor Board could help HCEA restore money lost over the last three years and help upgrade your salaries—permanently. Any upgrade to your salary schedule will raise your base salary and be returned year after year, not just once, as the County Executive has proposed.
Thursday, December 15
Cerveny’s e-mail, being an e-mail, got forwarded and soon came to the attention of Craig, Slutzky and Lisanti, among others. Lisanti e-mailed Cerveny Thursday night and said she had yet to receive a reply as of Saturday. “I feel purposely misled,” she said. Slutzky agreed: “If there is a suggestion of duplicity or misrepresentation then I believe that occurred on the end of HCEA.”
Friday, December 16
County Executive Craig announced a line item veto of the $3.8 million transfer to the school board. The veto announcement was made public at about 9:15 a.m.
At 10:00 a.m., the Labor Board hearing that Cerveny referred to in his email was set to begin in Glen Burnie. Cerveny said later that his attorney from the Maryland State Education Association was prepared to argue that all of the money that the Council had authorized on Tuesday, the $3.8 million intended for all HCPS employee bonuses, should be put into the pot of available funds for renegotiations with HCEA.
Cerveny said it was up to the Labor Board to decide if that would happen but that because the HCEA contract was the only open contract for the current year, the union attorney would argue that HCEA should get first crack at any incoming funds. Cerveny also said there was no intent to deceive, only to negotiate the money, and that the Labor Board could take into consideration the promises made to the other unions and/or rule that that the bonus was one-time money only.
Lisanti’s reaction to the plan to go after all $3.8 million: “I was either purposely misled or this was a change in strategy. I think it was an opportunistic legal strategy being developed and executed by the state teachers union to take advantage of the situation….I suspect HCEA is being used as a pawn. I am sickened by this. It hurts the people we rely on the most.”
But the Labor Board never got to decide what to do about the $3.8 million. Cerveny said that an attorney for the Harford County school board “sprung” the news of Craig’s veto on everyone at the hearing.
Meanwhile, HCPS had already set the wheels in motion to pay $625 as promised to the employees who were not represented by HCEA. Despite Craig’s veto announcement on Friday, some of those employees reported that the bonus had hit their bank account. Thus, HCPS had inadvertently blown a hole in their budget of about $1.5 million and confusion ensued. In the end, Superintendent Tomback announced that HCPS would not seek to recall the payment, and all employees, except for the 3,200 or so who are represented by HCEA, would get their holiday bonus.
Late Friday, Cerveny released a statement, which reads in part: “The County Executive is attempting an illegal power grab, usurping the Board of Education’s authority and violating state law and the rights of school system employees and state and local agencies. Our public schools, hardworking educators, and state law are all being victimized by his stunning display of overreach.”
Hope for Holiday Spirit?
County Executive Craig outlined his next steps in the veto statement Friday: “Upon resolution of the matter before the Maryland Public School Labor Relations Board, I will decide with the County Council whether to re-introduce legislation to restore funding for a true one-time bonus to Board of Education employees. It was my intention during the outset of this proposal that this be a one-time non-recurring expense, and that all employees be treated equally.”
Council Vice-President Dick Slutzky later agreed, adding that he still supports the spirit of the bonus for all and is open to finding a way to reimburse the school system as long as the money would not be encumbered by the Labor Board. (Please see related story)
For her part, Councilwoman Lisanti said her door is still open to HCEA, with the understanding that the bonus is a one-time payment with no relation to base compensation. Speaking of her involvement in the process, Lisanti said, “I was motivated for respect for public employees and recognize their shared sacrifice over the last few years.”
This is exactly what I thought happened…Randy Cerveny screwed up ROYALLY. How anyone can say he has the teachers’ best interest at heart is beyond me. He should be forced to resign immediately.
Here’s the sad thing, teachers are talking about quitting the union which still leaves us powerless. We need to do a vote of no confidence and get him out! Then competent people need to step up to the plate. Maybe. Now that our wallet is impacted more people will step up to the plate!
I completely agree, Neal! As a teacher, it is frustrating that the act of one man kept us from a gift that would have greatly alleviated stress during the holiday season. I find it laughable that people on here are leaving comments as if all the teachers in HCPS decided to turn down this bonus. Let’s keep it in perspective… this was the action of 1 man. I don’t blame those who choose to leave the union. When HCEA demonstrates this level of incompetency, who can blame them?
HEY RANDY….I GOT MY ONE TIME BONUS…..DID YOU! I feel for all the teachers who did not get the bonus. Want to thank you for giving them a very sad present from the county!
Wow. I don’t think Hollywood could come up with a script like this. What a farce.
Don’t forget the money has to come from some where. Next years budget? Layoffs? Randy’s tears and kneeling are not done yet.
I will make you a bet right now…next year will be the same story. There is a magical surplus after a year of bellyaching by the county government on how lean things are. Does anyone else notice how often this happens? It is is a good problem to have, don’t get me wrong. Now, should it go towards teacher pay? That is debatable.
Do you want your salary to be subject to one-time bonuses every year? The truth is that the money all comes from the same pot. All that money that is going to “one-time” projects could be used to fund the contracts. Instead of cutting employee salaries and benefits County leadership could cut other fund allocations. Craig does not want the money to count towards maintenance of effort. I guess judging from their statements our council members don’t either. Your teachers have absorbed the blow of the underfunding of schools for three years. Let’s see how everyone feels when programs must be cut, class sizes increase, schools can’t be repaired, equipment can’t be replaced and the kids, who deserve much better, start to suffer. Will you say oh those greedy kids. They want to go to school were computers work, the roof doesn’t leak and they have books bought this decade. The truth is that many teachers have been starved over the past three years to the point where they will take any bonus scraps thrown at them. When you sit down to your holiday celebrations Ms. Lisanti, Mr. Slutzky and Mr. Craig, please think about first through fifth year teachers that are working their second job, or the more veteran teachers like me who are wondering how they’ll continue get by now that they have cut everything out of their household budget that they can, or the parent teachers who are wondering how they will pay tuition for their kids who are going off to college. You paltry little bonus won’t solve these problems. To my union brothers and sisters, don’t turn on each other. Stay united. We will persevere.
Seriously??? Are you out of your damned mind?
These teachers were offered something they didn’t have to negotiate. FREE money. Really – FREE MONEY! In a crummy economy.
All in the interest of the Christmas spirit! And let me remind YOU that there are are a lot of good, hard-working people OUT OF JOBS THIS YEAR!!!!!
People that would KILL to have $625 to give their kids a nicer Christmas, or just put food on the table or help make their mortgage current!
To your point – yes, the teachers DESERVE more money. There’s no doubt about that. If the school board thought they were over-paid, they wouldn’t have offered them the little they had in excess.
This is merely about an employer doing what it can with the little funds it has available. More employers should do the same thing. The union needs to get it’s head out of it’s ass and say “thank you”, and allow it’s members to give it’s kids a better Christmas.
Everyone else did. And those people got the bonus you deserved. As for you – (and I’m assuming you’re associated with the union as noone else would have written what you did) if you don’t want yours – donate it to charity.
Mindboggled,
I think you said it well. Good common sense.
You are correct that additional money is being used for “one-time” projects. That’s exactly it though, ONE TIME. Meaning that money in the ‘pot’ isn’t reoccurring and can’t be depended upon to insure anyone an increase in salary year after year. Yes, teachers have been without raises for 3 years, but you know what sweet heart, neither has anyone else and for the HCEA to try and go after the full 3+ million and use it all for teachers is greedy. What about the 911 call taker that answers your emergency call? Are you better than they are and deserve that raise so much more? What about the DPW worker that fixed that school bus to get the kids to your school? Or the one snow plow operator that worked a 16 hour shift to make sure your road was clear of snow. How about that cop that pulled someone out of a car accident or one of the few paid fire or ambulance personnel who took that person to the hospital? Or for that matter how are you or teachers any more deserving than the people that take your tax payments or secretaries that answer general public phone calls? And why are your buildings any more important than others? The Black Box has been out of commission for months. DPW and other departments have been scattered around Harford County. My point is sir, is we are all equal here. No one has gotten any raise or COLA’s save for upper executive personnel. Try thinking a little more broadly. This isn’t just about the teachers. No disrespect sir, but some of you need to get over yourselves.
Your rant over the greedy HCEA trying to grab every penny only for the teachers is the biggest bunch of B.S. I’ve read on the subject. IF that were the case, then you’d have a point. Nothing in the documentation I’ve read from HCEA or in the print media made the claim that the teachers were trying to get it all for themselves. Apparently you don’t understand the issue.
You say that no where did you read that Cerveny was attempting to snag the entire surplus amount for the HCPS employees alone? You obviously didn’t read what was written above in this article… please reread what it says in the article timeline, “At 10:00 a.m., the Labor Board hearing that Cerveny referred to in his email was set to begin in Glen Burnie. Cerveny said later that his attorney from the Maryland State Education Association was prepared to argue that all of the money that the Council had authorized on Tuesday, the $3.8 million intended for all HCPS employee bonuses, should be put into the pot of available funds for renegotiations with HCEA.” What makes any employee at HCPS more deserving of this money than any other employee of this county? None of us has received a raise, a step or a cost of living increase for years and you don’t hear about anyone throwing the tantrum that the HCPS teachers are… Can you tell me why you are more important that the other County employees? I certainly don’t get it.
The other 4 unions have a me too clause so they get what HCEA gets. If HCEQA gets a Cola they get one too. If HCEA gets a step they get one too!
Do you really mean to insinuate that no one has gotten a promotions which includes a salary upgrade? Teacher steps are akin to other county employees’ promotions. Also, you misinterpret HCEA’s argument. We know that both HCPS and Harford County have the money to fund employee salaries. Look at the budget documents. HC is almost back to pre-recession tax levels, yet its employees are still expected to suffer. Is that fair?
YES, also going to TOTALLY “insinuate” that the rest of the county has not received raises in the last 3 years. If there have been raises issued I guess I must be the only one that hasn’t received it. Hmmmmm was I the only one that had to have furlough days last year too?Aside from that, I have heard of a select few upper management positions that have received raises (I don’t think that’s fair either) but no, the rest of us lower on the totem pole have not. So AGAIN, why are you more important or more deserving than any other employee?
I agree, I’ a teacher but I think the money should have been given to the workers who were furloughed for certain days last year. That is hard to recover from. Not that I couldn’t use the money….
I am sorry that you lost money due to furloughs. I lost over $12,000 due to the salary freeze. All the teachers have lost thousands of dollars each year.
Ryan, Boo F’n Hoo. We’re all in the same boat. Everyone has lost money. There’s no conspiracy against you and the teachers to make sure only you loose money. I’m a county employee and I’ve lost thousands too. I’ll probably never regain the ground I’ve lost financially. That’ll impact me for the rest of my life and into retirement. (I’m 29 if you care to know.) So I can’t say I feel sorry for you when we’re all pretty much in the same mess.
The economy is in the toilet. The federal govt has been under a pay freeze for two years, many people are losing jobs or taking pay/hour cuts, and HCEA is demanding *more* money?
They should be glad they’re still employed and not replaced by a just-graduated education major who will do whatever it takes to move out of mom’s basement and stop flipping burgers.
The economy in MD is no longer in the toilet. Unemployment is less than 7% and Harford County collected 607million in tax revenue despite having a 1% lower mileage. That is only 10 million less than the pre-recession level of 617 million with a higher tax rate. HCEA does not want more. We want what has bee contractually agreed upon.
The “gift” we are talking about is something that was not part of your contract. Does that mean you don’t want it?
Also, Cerveny said in his email that the funds could be used for “renegotiations”. You don’t renegotiate for something that is already in the contract, so that point is rubbish.
If you don’t think the county has honored it’s agreement for some reason – sue them and let the court decide.
Keep in mind that even if tax levels are back to pre-recession levels, it will be a while before the county catches up. During the recession, key projects were canceled that still need to be re-funded. While that is now hurting the public sector worker, the private sector worker already lost out on employment opportunities. In short – everyone gets hurt.
TBH, I don’t think you are conveying yourself very well in your posts. You appear very emotionally attached and as a result, outright abrasive. From what I can tell, you are a teacher that believes he’s deserves more money.
I won’t argue with that point because it’s the truth. But then again, that’s not the point here. This is about your union trying to take use a gift as a bargaining chip. And, in that same light, take the gift away from other deserving folks. Imagine if you were a member of one of the other unions. Put yourself in their shoes for a minute and ask how you’d like it. Chances are, you’d be pretty upset.
“No good deed shall go unpunished.”
Especially when dealing with union snakes the likes of Cerveny.
I am done with my union. This is the most ridiculous thing I’ve seen. Cerveny is incompetent. You don’t turn down a gift. That is just greedy. My family really could have used that. At least Craig tried to help us out.
Anyone who thinks David Craig was trying to be helpful lives in fantasy land. This “bonus” crap was all a way to make him look good as he plans his run for Governor. It was 100% a political move to make HIM look good. Take off your rose colored glasses people and see him for the slim he really is.
I don’t think Craig is “slim” … hehe
I do not believe politicians, planning to run for state Governor, gives gifts. This one was timed perfectly to muddy the labor board hearing and to break the union. Those who think they can live on the generosity of politicians are fools. I understand that all that HCEA wanted regarding the bonus was to ensure that an even a one time payment followed collective barganing laws.
Wow. Who is playing the “hide that comment” game here? Open up the hidden ones, and you’ll find that “dmichaels76” is correct. Pissed at the union, “thumbs up!” Agree with the union, HIDDEN DUE TO LOW COMMENT RATING. . . Thumbs down to those of you who can’t argue the points, so you bury them.
To all posters:
I noticed that anyone who posts facts supporting HCEA’s position gets a disproportionate number of “thumbs down”, while anyone who posts supporting Craig’s position gets a disproportionate number of “thumbs up”.
So, I’ve come to the realization that if you are in favor of HCEA’s action on this matter, YOU ARE WRONG, and if you are not in favor of it, then YOU ARE RIGHT. Apparently, the county exec, council, and BOE are benevolent and are just trying to do something nice for the teachers in the true spirit of Christmas, while the union is a money-grubbing, self-serving, political machine.
If you disagree, you are wrong. No facts you can quote can refute this: facts are simply an annoyance to those who already know they are right.
“facts” ????
You are hilarious!
You are proving my point! Thanks! Keep ’em coming!
Go back and look at the posts and see for yourself! Anyone who is in favor of HCEA is wrong, and anyone who is against them is right.
You are proving my point! Thanks! Keep ’em coming!
Read the story because that is the only place the “facts” are. Anything in the comment section are opinion. The up or down does not relate to facts but opinion. Opinions are always biased that is why they are called opinion. As to why some one did or did not do something is called intent which no one writing on here knows. Therefore, it is also not “fact”. I sure hope you do not teach a social studies or english class because you sure will be creating a generation that can not distinguish between the “facts” and opinion.
JJ- glad you aren’t an English teacher either- it’s English.
Some of us tax payers agree with County Executive that given the current financial situation, the county should not be making committments that could increase reoccurring payments. A bonus can be awarded in good years, and withheld in lean years, but the HCEA obviously tried to manipulate the system to turn that bonus into an increase in salaries.
Shame on HCEA and I hope they’re decertified.
Your conclusion of right and wrong astounds me and exemplifies how some people can never rationally look at two sides of an issue. There is so much misinformation and selected quotes confusing this situation. I certainly hope that I, nor any of the colleagues, have to deal with you as a parent.
Did ya notice the teachers in China work a 12 hour day, as revealed on the “China Trip” report. Work to that contract.
A lot of teacher in this county work 12+ hours a day, what is your point?
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Why is that comment so laughable? Most of the teachers that I know routinely put in 10-12 days. Between arriving early to prepare copies, set up technology, work with students who can’t stay after, to staying late to sponsor clubs, participate on committees, work with struggling students, most teachers work more than 8 hours. Teachers who coach often are putting in 15-16 hour days, especially when travelling to away games in other counties.
But teachers who coach are compensated for that.
Bill, I would like to invite you to shadow a good teacher for even just a day — the whole day. We all think we know what a teacher’s job entails because we all went to school. Trust me, it is a completely different story when you are the teacher. Maybe once you experience a teacher’s day, you will not find it so easy to post such an insulting response.
Wait a minute, I pick my son up from school everyday and a lot of those teachers are driving off the parking lot before the walkers and car riders get out.
Which school?
Yes and in a lot of Southeast Asian countries teachers are highly reveared get great pay plus a huge house and servents and a car and a chuefer and are often tasked with discipline in a more firm manner. Additionally parents are not invited into the process.
Spelling corrections for Cdev:
reveared – revered
chuefer – chauffeur
Do you have any substance to add or just proofreading?
I don’t want a big house or servants. I just want my salary steps as agreed upon. Cdev, get in contact with me.
I’m a teacher, and I regularly work 10 and 12 hour days. I just get paid for 7.5. Let’s see YOU work to that contract.
If you don’t like the long hours, then find another job. Otherwise, put your big girl panties on and just deal with it. Stop whining!!
I think they are just stating some facts. I think you need to wipe your tears….everyone isn’t whinning who posts here. Get a grip.
It’s not the long hours that are the problem, it’s just insulting that people don’t give teachers much credit.
I work 12 hour days and get paid for 8 like most salaried employees.
I’d gladly switch with you – assuming you’ll give me your summer vacation???
Think before you speak.
LOL…you want my summer off? You want me to list the jobs I have to take to make $$$ over the summer? What do you do? Please….tell us what you do and how much you make for doing it? You want my job of teaching 35 high school students all day? You are probably the one complaining when it snows and you are stuck with your 2 kids at home for a few days….now multiply those 2 kids by 15. Enjoy…
I love having my kids at home! I would have never been a teach if I did not like kids. It might be time for you to quit, sounds like you are baby sitting and not teaching.
I am not saying I agree with hcea, but the story looks a little one sided. I don’t see any quotes or remarks from hcea. Before you go treating it like its the gospel lets make sure all parties are heard.
I will say this teacher moral is low. They truly feel they are getting it from all sides. Look at some of the posts on this site alone. If parents are speaking to their kids, and the kids come to school and treat the teachers like they are dirt. The day when teachers were highly respected members of the community seem to be gone. It is a sad state of affairs when that occurs. Like it or not these are the people who teach the kids day in and day out. Most, not all but most seem to be happy with hcps. It is a large system, and not everyone or everything will be perfect.
The teaching profession has been losing respect since unionizing and whining many years ago. Add to this the infusion of liberal agenda rather than teaching. Add to this the both parents working evolution of the last few decades which has put teachers into a position of greater influence. They then tried slapping the “aren’t the kids worth it” label on their whining, we find a resentment from the “outsider taxpayer” for the hostage negotitions they are forced into.
Yes, the profession has its problems and I would not like to handle a room full of kids from dysfunctional, drug infested parents that are the poster children for the age of entitlements. But if you go into any profession because it just pays well you will feel the same way. If you went into teaching because you loved teaching, has the teaching changed or just your plans?
BTW, it is morale not moral.
The school system did not do what it could with the funds it had! They negotiated and then said “Sorry, not even a one time payment for teachers because the county didn’t fund it. But we’ll put millions of dollars away in a rainy day fund.”That is why the labor board was involved. HCEA could not take a bonus for teachers until the labor board met. Between the county council ruling and the veto there was no time for the negotiarion team to meet with
The school system did not do what it could with the funds it had! They negotiated and then said “Sorry, not even a one time payment for teachers because the county didn’t fund it. But we’ll put millions of dollars away in a rainy day fund.”That is why the labor board was involved. HCEA could not take a bonus for teachers until the labor board met. Between the county council ruling and the veto there was no time for the negotiarion team to meet wth tje Boe team.
The issue continues to reflect the sad situation in our society. Public hold teachers in low esteem and teachers are tearing down teachers who remember what it was before collective barganing. I ate lunch with my students, had 20 minute break a day, and had a total of an hour planning.
The public doesn’t hold teachers in low esteem, quite the opposite in fact. The problem is the never ending complaining that some teachers do. The vocal teachers are always the loudest complainers and as a result, the most reviled.
Would you complain if your employer violated your agreed upon salary and rights?
Wouldn’t you complain if your employer violated your agreed upon salary and rights?
Cry me a river. I eat lunch with my customers daily. I do not get any kind of “breaks”. An hour to “plan”? That’s what I do after I eat dinner and on my own time. Yes, I work in the private sector. I’m sorry, but times are tough and they’re only going to get tougher. If you need a job to stroke your ego, find something else.
What is your profession?
How tough are times in Harford County? Unemployment is less than 7% and tax revenues are almost at pre-recession levels…
Don’t want to share with us what you do for a living and how much you make?
I do not complain unless my rights and responsibilities are unfairly changed. I have worked hard for over 30 years to provide the best education possible for my students. I’ve earned national certification and my masters and over 60 college credits beyond that. I can tell from this discussion, editorials, talk shows and other venues that the teaching profession is under attack. Without a union and collective barganing, would we have any rights?
What ‘rights’ are you referring to exactly? I don’t think that word means what you think it means.
Anne thank you for your service to our kids. I have 4 kids in the public school system and have observed most teachers being hard working and competent like yourself. I also observed some teachers who are not hard working and not competent. Unfortunately, collective bargaining requires people like you to be grouped with and treated the same way as the inferior teachers.
I understand your pain Dan but there is a process for first assisting and then removing “inferior” or incompetent teachers. It just is not followed.
Anne,
Nobody has said “dissolve the union”, “screw collective bargaining”, or “to he** with the teachers”.
So, then, what’s your point? Your union is trying to screw the rest of the county employees, pure and simple. It’s also trying to take advantage of a gift from the county.
Then again, if that’s your definition of collective bargaining – maybe we ought to screw it and dissolve the union…
Reality Check here folks – that was sarcasm…
Students, parents and taxpayers are under assault by entrenched educational special interest chaebol.
Your mommy didn’t hug you enough when you were little did she? Did you fall on your head? Do some research and turn off FOX.
Now that Ryan Burbey has played the FOX card, we can state with confidence that he has officially run out of arguments (excuses).
Well played, Ryan. No apologies from you are needed, and no gloating from the other side will be accepted.
Nope. just thought I’d return ignorance to ignorance.
Now, now, now sweetness…remember, EDUCATED men make reference to literature and knuckle draggers hurl insults…isn’t that what you said???…Hypocrite.
If this county keeps treating teachers like they do by not fulfilling contracts and bashing teachers(all over this blog), Dan, you will, unfortunately, likely see more of the inferior type of teacher you mention. This will be detrimental to our students and to those of us who do work hard, long, unpaid hours to ensure our students are getting a quality education.
Frankly, I would love to know any single job that exists where there are not a few bums who take advantage of the hard workers or do not show competancy- I fear this is a problem everywhere unfortunately. What do you do for a living, Dan? Are there any colleagues of yours who are less than great at what they do? Should you be blamed for their less than exemplary work ethic? Is that fair?
Also unfortunate that we, the teachers, have no control over who is hired and retained in this county. Good teachers make my job easier, believe me. My fear is that we have less ability to recruit the good teachers now than ever, and with many of the good ones forced to take second jobs- well, the grading and planning at home isn’t going to happen.
It hurts the good teacher just as much to have a few bad ones, but if this county wants more of that ilk they should continue to lump everyone together and make all the teachers (the majority good) feel worthless, disrespected, and devalued. Then all those who complain on these comments so much about the terrible state of education in HCPS might really have support for their claims.
Shame on anyone who bashes teachers and education here. I never would have spoken ill of any teacher. My parents never would have allowed that or sided against one. Things have changed.
HCPS are EXCELLENT – with 99% hard working teachers who go way above the call of duty. Teacher morale has never been so low in this county. Something’s gotta give.
Do you support pay-for-performance, or would you prefer the rigid step/seniority system remain in place?
The problem with pay for performance is how do you evaluate performance. Is it fair to compare the performance of a teacher in a school with 90% FARMS to a teacher in a school with 10% FARMS?
I’m surprised at the timing of many comments on here. Some teachers keep saying that they work 10-12 hours a day because they cannot get all of the work done during the 25 min lunch and 45 min planning period yet there is ample time to read and post on the Dagger. Hmmmmmmm…
Right…cause reading these intellectual posts and making a ‘few sentence post’ takes so long…..great point. *roll eyes*
Hey Confused,
“I’m surprised at the timing of many comments on here. Some teachers keep saying that they work 10-12 hours a day because they cannot get all of the work done during the 25 min lunch and 45 min planning period yet there is ample time to read and post on the Dagger. Hmmmmmmm…” – Math question. If a day has 24 hours, and a teacher works between 10 and 12 hours, is there still time in the day to post on the Dagger? The answer is, of course there is time, as a day is 24 hours and 12 hours are spent working, this leaves a teacher 12 hours to post on here. See, Confused. Math is fun.
Anyways, have a nice day.
Paul-
Of course there is 24 hours in a day leaving half of the day for this. My point being that some of the times are during the school “work” day and maybe better time management of grading papapers or planning instead of posting on here would save some of the late nights and long work days of taking stuff home and doing it in front of the TV. To each their own, but you cannot complain that you have to work at home because “there isn’t enough time at work” if you are on here posting. Just an observation.
Hey Confused,
“Of course there is 24 hours in a day leaving half of the day for this. My point being that some of the times are during the school “work” day and maybe better time management of grading papapers or planning instead of posting on here would save some of the late nights and long work days of taking stuff home and doing it in front of the TV. To each their own, but you cannot complain that you have to work at home because “there isn’t enough time at work” if you are on here posting. Just an observation.” – I doubt many teachers spend that much time reading and posting on here. However, even if a person were to spend time reading and posting on here, how much time do you think they spend? 15 minutes? 30 minutes? An hour? Let’s say, just for argument’s sake that one spends 15 minutes on here, reading and posting during the day. Ok, you are right, they should not be complaining about having to work the 10-12 hour days. They should complain about working 9 hour 45 minute – 11 hour 45 minute days. Or, maybe they are taking into account the amount of time they spend on here and have that figured into their statements.
Anyways, have a nice day.
Most of the teachers I know, both active and retired, did not and do not work 10-12 hours a day, and never did. They worked hard at their profession and they did a good job. It was on rare occasion that the job required 10-12 hours per day.
If you coach…you arrive at school before 7:00 and don’t leave until 5:00. (that’s not counting game days which are worse). You do the math.
HugItOut: Coaches who are participating in a current sport are the exception. That is why I began my comments with the statement “Most teachers”… As in anything, you will find exceptions, but I stand by my statement… Most teachers do not work a 10-12 hour day. I also stated most teachers do a great job, but of course there will be exceptions.
Thank you for coaching. It is getting extremely hard these days to find people to fill those positions. Most don’t want to work from 7-5!!
Hey Retired,
The original thread by Confused, to which I responded, dealt with, as Confused said, “Some teachers keep saying that they work 10-12 hours”. No one ever said all teachers. I was responded to the statement by Confused, in which he/she seems to insinuate that the teachers do handle time management effectively. My response to him is in regards to the “Some teachers keep saying that they work 10-12 hours” in which he/she was referring.
Now, as for other teachers. I don’t know how many you know or have known. I know a number of teachers and I those I know do bring work home. Not everyday, of course, but they do bring it home a couple or three times a week. I don’t know when you retired. I do know that there is more and more paper work required for many teachers, i.e. Special Ed. and the amount of paperwork required by these teachers, as well as handling their everyday teaching, is really not feasible during the school day. I would imagine there are probably more teachers today working the 10-12 hours a day as opposed to years past. But again, I don’t have any hard data on that, nor do I imagine anyone else does.
Anyways, have a nice day.
Paul MC: Thank you for your thoughts. None of us ever said all teachers work 10-12 hour days. Very few do, and I thank them and all other teachers for their dedication.
A very nice day to you, and a Merry Christmas.
Every single English teacher in my building is working 10-12 hour days grading papers at home- weekends, too, and this doesn’t even account for any teachers spending time sponsoring clubs or coaching sports….
Everyone, we need to keep things in perspective. I arrive at school to start my day at 6am. I long on to my computer, pull up my 3 different class lessons (yes, I teach at the high school level), make whatever copies I will need (sometimes being forced to track down a working copier), get back to my room check email (cause heaven forbid I miss any news about the day from those higher up), meet with the kids of the club I advise (oh, let’s not forget about helping with whatever fundraiser we are working on), meet with kids who were absent (and there are ALWAYS a few of them) to get them their missed work, then go into the hall to monitor my area. All of this is before 7:30 am. Then I teach 3 classes (my planning period is either 3rd or 4th block) or teach 2 classes, do lunch duty, and then plan, then teach the last class. Then, meet with kids who have detention with me or help kids who need extra help. I try to get my lessons ready for the next day. However, one of the subjects I teach is fairly new to me and my school (only 2nd year) and it requires more time and planning most days until the lessons are really where I want them to be. Then I should be grading papers, entering my grades on edline so the kids can see where they are. I try to leave between 3:30 and 4pm. Then I go home to help my own kids with homework etc. And I do not get compensated for my after school club.
Additionally, since I started teaching, I only got 1 step. Wow, my biweelky pay went up a whopping $30 on average. I am not a member of HCEA partly because I cannot afford the pay deduction. However, I am grateful for what they do as a whole. I do benefit from their actions. However, I would have loved to get that extra money. It was better than nothing – which is all that I have seen for the past few years.
I am a teacher because I really love teenagers and I love the subject that I teach. I just would like to be able to pay my bills and not wonder if I have enough money to put gas in my car, and buy my own children’s medicine each paycheck.
All of this fighting and lack of raises leads me to think that I could be happy teaching children in another county or state. And I’m afraid that I am not the only one thinking this way. Harford County could be in trouble with getting and retaining good teachers if something isn’t done sooner rather than later.
Back to the original point, yes, we teachers do work long hours, and are only 10 month employees. I feel that all public service workers should make more than we all are currently. A bonus if NOTHING else would have been better than nothing.
First, let me disclose that, yes, this is the former School Board Member, School Board President, husband to a HCPS Teacher, father to both existing and former HCPS students, friend to many, many current HCPS staff, friend and colleague to many HCPS Admin. staff, a supporter of Executive Craig, and a supporter of the County Council. I am using my real name, and my real email, on this blog. Following the numerous calls, emails, and the interesting dinner conversations over the past weeks, I was asked to weigh in. I do not speak for the current Board of Ed, nor anyone or everyone involved in this fiasco. I have not read most of the entries above and wont undermine anyone’s opinion or position, but offer the following thoughts:
The statement or position of HCEA that it does not want to accept this money and jeopardize future funds for salaries, increases, etc… is somewhat flawed. I do believe that they are trying to protect their union members, but, in all honesty, how do you try to get the County to commit to future increases in this economy? Does anyone reading this know where their business is going to be in 12 months, 2 yrs, or 3 yrs? I don’t have the certainity of where my business will be in 12 days, let alone 12 months. Nothing is for certain.
The protocol, system, process, whatever you want to call it on how the Board of Educ. negotiates its contracts with HCEA, is broken. The Board of Ed. is not a funding authority. It does not have a seat in the Legislative body of the County Govt. It does not generate annual revenue. It does not have an Income Statement. It is 100% reliant on funds as allocated by the County and State ( and a little from the Feds). This is a fact.
Early in the budget process, when a new contract is needed, the Board enters into negotiations for a new contract. Its includes numerous discussions and many various factors, not just $$$. Agreements are made, a deal is struck. And, then you wait. Why? Because the Board does not control its funds, all monies are allocated from the County Executive and Council when it comes to local $$$. I recall agreeing to 2%, and several months later only being able to fund 1%, agreeing to more and only being able to provide some, or nothing. This process happens and the Board nor HCEA really know what is expected from the County.
So I ask, how is this ever in “Good Faith”? How do you negotiate with a very important part of HCPS, its teachers, when you have no idea on the revenue side, what funds youj will be given and if you can meet your agreement??? Would anyone on this blog agree to pay for something, promise to pay a certain price, in advance, months before you need it, with the uncertainity that you will have the savings to afford it??? (forget those that bought a $500,000 house in 2008 on a $45K salary – bad support to my example) Not the real world folks. I struggled with this for the 5 years on the Board. Until the system is fixed, both sides will continue to play the game, a game by which the rules have greatly, greatly been altered with the new world we live in.
So, let me suggest this… Teachers are deserving of any and all income, no different, no less, no more, than any other professional career or position. They work hard. They do more with less. They spend their own money for their classroom, their students, etc.. They work extra hours. They work late. They show up early. They go the extra mile when needed. So to does the guy/gal that works for Public Works, the staff at Parks and Recs, and every other ( I hope) County employee. Everyone that has job, probably does the same – works hard, work extra hours, etc…
Stay focused on the point and forget arguing over the value of one position over another; in the years to come, there will not be any gauranteed pay increases, raises, STEPS, COLA, whatever, until our economy ever improves. Some would argue that this is the new economy we must learn to live in. Our County leadership, our Council, will do whatever it can, when it can, to provide better incomes for all County employees. To use this one time “perk” as a position for better future, gauranteed wages is not practical, nor reality. From what I’ve read, all the other groups in the County took the money and ran. So what do we have instead, many, not all teachers, that now have a slightly lower moral in their classroom. That’s real productive for better student achievement.
In my opinion, this $400 per teacher, union member or non-union member, that’s after taxes, is or could really be a reimbursement for the monies paid by our teachers out of their own checkbooks for whatever they felt they needed to help their students learn. I have my own ATM debits in our checkbook over the past years that tell me what my wife has spent. It wouldn’t be a salary, a pay increase, or anything related to payroll, the negotiated agreement, etc…
Until such time that the process is corrected, altered, fixed, whatever… there will always be a disconnect in the “good faith” philosophy/practice between those involved. Given the reality with the uncertainity of future budgets, its a travesty to not have our teachers receive this one time money. Who loses in this game? Yes, teachers are not getting extra $$$, yes fingers are being pointed and political grandstanding is being thrown around.
I have to ask myself and suspect that the nearly 30,000 students in HCPS must be saying – “Really??? Really???
I can’t wait til tonight’s dinner conversation when my wife see’s the Aegis, gets another 40 emails from her fellow teachers, and has to listen to me explain the process, and indirectly, overly complicating such a simple gesture…
PS: Cindy, thanks for doing such a great job of summarizing the past events.
***please forgive any typos – I’m typing this from the keyboard on an IPad.
Dear Tom,
It is just not that simple. I wish it were. I do not believe for one minute that this was just a kind gesture. Similar actions are happening in at least two other counties. Multiple county executives and superintendents were at the PSLB hearing. This is a very deliberate attack on the process which you consider broken. It is only broken in counties where the County Executive refuses to accept the glaring reality that schools need more funds and employee contracts need to be paid. It is sad that it haas come to this but the only way back is one of trust and compromise. I think bargaining works when it is not deliberately politicized. Negotiate. Honor your agreements. What is more American than that? Perhaps, the holidays will inspire an end to brinksmanship…
Ryan
How can you ever negotiate from a postion of “trust and compromise” when one side cant accept a bonus without looking for the boogie man in the closet.
My point is this if the current structure is unsustainable, negotiate something which is.
I’m a product of the HCPS system, and rt 40 school at that. (They tend to get a worse rap than the others) I had fantastic teachers growing up. Some have proved to be an ongoing inspiration in life. I have a few I’m still in contact with, and I won’t mention how long ago I graduated, it’s been WAY too long. But, like most things in life, you get out what you put in. Maybe those of you bashing our school system just didn’t put a lot into your or your kid’s education. On the subject of raises and bonuses though, we’re all feeling the pinch. We all deserve raises, not just teachers. I don’t think the union is doing any one any good by taking what was clearly offered as a one-time bonus and trying to twist it into a salary increase. It gives the teachers (and unfortunately; lumping everyone in one category) a bad name. It makes teachers seem greedy, like the bonus wasn’t appreciated. Isn’t that what a lot of teachers are asking for, appreciation?
Everyone else was fine with the offer of the one-time bonus except for one small group. Occam’s Razor would suggest that the problem lie with the one group and not everyone else. In this case, I think the squeaky wheel will likely be replaced and not oiled. If the HCEA wants to stay around I suggest they keep this one-time bonus from Mr. Craig and the salary negotiations with HCPS two separate issues.
I wish they were two separate issues. The problem is that the money all comes from the same pot. Likewise, funding to the school system can not be conditional. It sets a horrible precedent.
Due to the timing of the labor board hearing and the surplus surprise bonus, HCEA was put in an unenviable position. Cynics may think that this was the purpose. Perhaps mistakes were made, but they were made with teacher welfare [in the big picture) at heart. All other barganing units signed their contracts and the labor board decision will not affect them. Misunderstandings still fuel the debate and some really nasty comments have been made by some hateful people. Hopefully the holiday break will allow things to simmer down.
Mr. Fidler, thank you for some reasoned and sensable comments.
But, I have to ask that why during this time with such a lack of funding administrators have had their scheduled increases while the teachers have not? Why has the BOE seemingly made a conscious effort to mislead people by publishing pay scales that reflect increases that have not taken place? Why are teacher salaries so easily published by local media outlets in extensive detail, but administrative contracts are not and published salaries are vague range and contracts are not so publicly reported? Including their benefit packages, vacation perks, and other benefits?
Merit Pay or Pay for Performance looks great on paper, but how exactly do you measure the merit/performance?
Grades? Well it doesn’t take much effort to find information and research that points out that public education and universities have had significant grade inflation for the last 20+ years.
Standardized tests? These provide easy toe assure snapshots of students at a given point and look great on a PowerPoint of statistical analysis. And are worthless for the merit pay debate. How do you evaluate teachers who are not directly tested, such as art, music, physical education, and social studies or grades that are not directly assessed? How do account for student effort in assessments that have no direct value to the students being tested? MSA and HSA test have no/no longer have any direct impact on a students grades or advancement, nor do grades anymore in HCPS-see story’s about zeroing out and report cards labeled ‘Acidemically Placed’. MSA’s have no impact on the students other than placement which is routinely overridden by parent complaints. Furthermore, MSA’s often include material that has not yet been covered by curriculum due to testing dates. HSA’s no longer have any impact on a students graduation requirements due to the ability to ‘project out’ in place of a successful grade. These tests also lead to complaints of ‘teaching to the test’, subjective evaluation of written responses, and improper prompting/assistance/cheating by those giving the tests. This has already been seen in several Maryland counties and in states across the country. Plus, how do you account for the outside influences that contribute to the makeup of a school community. Not all schools have been created equally. A great example has been how older schools have lost out on material and technology upgrades to make sure the newest opening schools have all of the latest bells and whistles. How do you account for the ability of magnet schools to cherry pick students while rejecting those that do not meet their standards?
How do we evaluate merit promotions for non instructional personnel such as guidence or administrators? Do we base it On an entire schools achievement then leave it up to personnel inside the school to determine how it is divided? Please…enough clicks in the system already.
As for the ‘ridged tenure based’ system, it is not perfect either. And I really wish people would wake up and realize tenure means nothing anymore. Tenure and the education associations, they are NOT unions, is not what keeps low quality teachers in schools.
Everyone wants the simple ‘silver bullet’ solution to a complex issue. Without a concerted effort between educators, parents, AND students working towards the best interest of the students and their real acidemic achievement instead of numbers that look good on a PowerPoint for individuals personal and political gain, we will see the continuation of the downward slide of our educational system. Without the proper investments in education, human and financial, it will not change.
As in the private sector, teacher performance should be judged by their suporvisor, the pricipal. Many will not like this, but many people in the private sector don’t like their bosses either. It is the way most employee performance is judged.
Sandy,
Teachers performances ARE judged by the principals…all teachers are evaluated several times a year by their principal.
Problem is the Union stops getting rid of teachers who are tenured even if they get poor job performance reviews
But the reviews are useless. Teachers should be paid based on evaluations, not how long they have been employed by HCPS. And teachers with poor reviews should lose their jobs. There shouldn’t be contracts that include raises for COLAS and STEPS. Pay increases should be based on job performance and given when the company, HCPS, can afford it.
Lets be honest about somethings. Having taught for over 2 decades here are somethings I have no problem admitting. There are days I leave the earliest I am allowed. There are days I stay later, sometimes way later.
In the end teachers have a salaried position. You get paid a set amount for no matter how little or much you work. We (teachers) knew this coming in, and can’t use it as a complaint. The same goes for the public, if you wanted to start paying teachers by the hour then there would be complaints of people abusing overtime.
Would I like the bonus? Sure, who doesn’t want extra money. Do I want my steps, and cola? Sure, it is what they told me I would get. Do I trust anyone in charge of these things? Absolutely not.
Dear Confused and Paul Mc
I think it’s the lack of respect for working the extra time that teachers are upset about -not that fact that they have to work hard to do the job.
We should all be respected for what we do.
TEACHERS…keep doing what you do and do it well. We all went into this field because we wanted to have an impacts on young people in a positive way, and connect with some kids who really need it and can benefit from it. When we are old and retired, we can reflect on all the people we impacted (students, the teams, musical groups, casts, etc) and the positive interactions we had. That is what is important here…making a positive impact in society. Keep it up!!! We are the ones making a difference with the next generation, regardless of pay. Feel good about that!
LOL.. there are thumbs down on this comment. I’d love to know what those people do for a living.
There’s always a few haters in a group. You can’t please everyone right? I don’t think anyone went into teaching for the money. I for one am thankful for the teachers I’ve had that have made a difference in my life and have helped make me the person I am today.
What is to be done about the fact that the county hid money?
Does anyone even care that there are bigger issues going on here than a few dollars? If the union were doing what it is supposed to do – stand up for the teachers – then why are so many teachers with over 15 yrs experience being forced out of their jobs right now? Yes, that’s right…the county is pushing the admins at the schools to meet the fiscal problems head on by forcing out teachers with the highest pay so they can save approx. $30K/yr/teacher by replacing them with first-year teachers. Mark my words. You will see the turnover if you look. There is so much corruption in Harford County and its schools right now, it is perhaps what we are best teaching our children – lie, cheat, manipulate and you will get ahead. Sad but true.
Missing The Real Issue,
Harford County money and HCPS money are two separate budgets. (Although Harford County does pay into HCPS) so who exactly is hiding the money? The County or the School?
Exactly!!! The HCPS Board creates a budget then submit it to Harford County who then turn money requested over to the HCPS Board, who then use it where they see fit. If they use it to buy land or teachers salaries is up to the Board not the County Council. The money the HCPS used to by land on Shucks Road should have been used on teachers salaries not buy land that they can not build on in the near future because they do not have the money. I have always thought that the negotiations for salaries should be with the County Council and not the school board and that money for building projects and supplies should be a HCPS decision.
HappyGranny,
Might want to look at the incompetent people in the HR dept of central office more than the union and admins who don’t have a clue cause they are to concerned kissing up to central office
Dear 1st Citizen
I agree there is incompetence in Central Office also but it is worse if you have an incompetent teacher teaching your child but there is nothing you can do to get them dismissed because they are protected by the union
I heart teaching…. Your view of one man keeping you from a bonus is ridiculous. It was the HCEA board and legal counsel thst asked that that man defend teachers barganing rights. You are do short sighted. How sad.
I did receive my bonus from CE Craig on Friday. No matter what your stance is pertaining to this situation, the money came in very handy for me during this time of year. I’m glad to hear that so many of you who state that it’s “only” a pittance have more than enough and don’t need it, however, I am not that fortunate and I am truly appreciative. Thank you David Craig and Merry Christmas to all, even you, Mr. Cerveny.
You know there is one group of HC employees that also didn’t get offered a bonus and some of them work as many hours as most county employees and that is the Subs. Most them work everyday of the school year(after the 1st week anyway) and never were even offered an extra $100. Most are folks that really enjoy dealing with students and a lot of them are pursuing degrees in Education. And if you want to talk about underpaid HCPS pays less then most counties and treats them as 2nd class citizens. Some of these subs actually have Master degrees and are working on getting teaching certs but end up leaving HC because salaries are better other places. I know a few that have even relocated to places like WV because salaries are better there. So David is you read this think of them next time too because the School Board sure doesn’t
Teachers and other County employees in Harford County are having some serious problems and are under attack by their government. This is what County Executive David Craig thinks about teachers and recovering their lost salary steps (I’ve lost $12,000 during the salary freeze)…
“I will not tolerate one group trying to outfox the others, nor will I tolerate one group trying to obligate taxpayers to a reoccurring expense based on the availability of one-time money.”
Does that sound like he ever intends to provide the funds to maintain teachers’ salaries and benefits. Help us in our fight for fairness. Contact him at his campaign office, call him or post to his facebook page https://www.facebook.com/DavidRCraig. Let him know what you think.
25 W. Courtland St. Suite 101
Bel Air, MD 21014
(410) 893-2083
Please forward this to all your friends and family. Thanks for your help.
Ryan
Shame on Mr Craig and all the council members. Does he even realize how many homeless people there are in this county, or how many children haven’t eaten today, does he know how many senior citizens can’t afford their medications? I find it appalling that he took county money and gave bonuses out. I’m now saying county employees or teachers don’t deserve a little extra–but so does everyone else in the county. And if the teachers would have just taken the bonus would the citizens ever been told about the handout? Seriously, the county cuts funding in grants because they “don’t have money” They cut services to our elderly, our disabled, our poor–Go tell them you gave out millions in bonuses Mr Craig—–shame on you!
Shame on Craig and the Council members? Where you there at any of the meetings to voice this opinion BEFORE the decision was made? Or are you just complaining after the fact? I say shame on any county residents that weren’t there to have their voices heard. If you’re just complaining after the fact and aren’t proactive in your local government enough to attend any of the meetings then shush, your opinion is invalid.
Some of us work nights, obviously not teachers, and can,t attend council meetings The whole thing is yet another example of the favoritism played in this county by Craig and his Posse……..Shameful
and PS Let’s be real—teachers know their salaries going into the profession-and they don’t make bad money–I know teachers making 70k+…and your contract says you get a raise–doesn’t all of ours–welcome to the recession, be glad you have a job.
The recession is over in Harford County. Tax revenues are at 607 million vs. 617 before 2008 with a lower tax rate.
Ohhhh, so that’s how you measure a recession. Good to know.
Sarcasm intended.
How about unemployment at 6.2%. How about increased new home construction. Yes, tax revenues rising is an indication of the recession ending.
Burbrey you can go eff yourself!
The recession is very real for my family and many others. I have been without work work for over two years making no money while you had your salary and benefits. So, don’t tell me the recession is over and it’s time to spend more money we don’t have so you can live better than the rest of us.
You don’t know what sacrifice is you petty little academic elitist weasel and you certainly don’t have a clue about economics or finance.
P.S. The recession gave me no break on the amount of Harford County property taxes I paid.
Unemployed I have seen help wanted signs at the following buisnesses this weekend. Wawa, McDonalds, Target, SPorts Clips, Starbux, Bel Air Athletic Club, Harford County Public Schools and Giant. I am sure others are hireing. Why don’t you go apply for some of these jobs?
Mr. Cdev, I have my active job search under control, thank you very much. But I doubt you were being sincere in trying to help.
Glad to hear it just wanted you to know jobs are out there. Don’t complain just go out and get one. SOmething is better then nothing. Don’t want you to become addicted togovernment handouts!
Mr. Cdev, did I ask you for career advice, no in fact I did not. If we had been having this conversation in person you might have found my fist in contact with your face.
Anger management?
The fact is that most of the employers you listed would not hire someone whose salary had been at a professionals level even if tehy had been unemployed for a long period. The reason they would give is that they would expect that the person would leave in a short period of time when the economy has improved. Which, by the way, it hasn’t.
OK I see so you are content sitting at home not working and complaining.
First, you are mixing your commenters since I am fully employed. Second, those I know that have been out of work for a considerable time, do not do so voluntarily. Most jobs outside of government and teaching do not have a thing called tenure and are considered “at will” in this state. Which means that you can be laid of or terminated for almost any reason.The same goes on the hiring side; they only need any reason to hire the other candidate which could be their “feel” for you (didn’t think they were interested, gung-ho enough, attitude, dress, longevity, experience, etc.).
No JJ I didn’t mix up my commentors. I get your point however I think given a choice, Wawa wants an adult over a kid. It probably views both as short term workers for differing reasons.
Additionally the following are a list of Jobs that are not certificated with HCPS that they are hiring for now
Substitute Teacher
AVID Tutor
Inclusion Helper (4 permenant and 1 temporary)
Office Secratary I (2 10 month and 1 12 month)
Title I Family Liason (1 opening)
None of the above jobs require a College education
Boiler Tech
HVAC Tech
Office Secratary II
Use of Facilities Specialist
Application Support Anylst (2 openings)
Printer I
No JJ I didn’t mix up my commentors. I get your point however I think given a choice, Wawa wants an adult over a kid. It probably views both as short term workers for differing reasons.
There are a variety of jobs open with employers on that list that he could most likely do, even if he is over qualified. He is chosing to not try something because he views it as beneath him. I as a tax payer am tired of subsidizing lazy!
Actually, Harford County tax rates have been reduce three time during the recession. there are also a multitude of other programs to assist you. I am sorry you are having problems. Perhaps. you should go back to school and become a teacher.
Harford County’s reduction in the tax rate cap and the rates did not mean the actual tax dollars paid went down for property owners even if their assessment went down. The Homestead Cap works in the homeowner’s favor in a rising market and does the opposite in a declining market. So many people who saw their wages decline or lost jobs were surprised when the property taxes went up or stayed the same.
Pat but that is what people needed to understand when they where screaming for the constant yield. I don’t think that was explained well or people only thought shourt term.
And hence the rise in revenue. Despite declining property values over the last few years, the constant yield keeps taxes increasing.
The tax rate goes up but the revenue remains the same. The lowering was due to the fact that if the constant yield dictated that rate x should be used they used x-y to determine the rate. The delema some face is that if their house value did not decline at the same rate as their nieghbors, because of improvements to the dwelling, then they would pay more then they had been paying before
Teachers and other County employees in Harford County are having some serious problems and are under attack by their government. This is what County Executive David Craig thinks about teachers and recovering their lost salary steps (I’ve lost $12,000 during the salary freeze)…
“I will not tolerate one group trying to outfox the others, nor will I tolerate one group trying to obligate taxpayers to a reoccurring expense based on the availability of one-time money.”
Does that sound like he ever intends to provide the funds to maintain teachers’ salaries and benefits. Help us in our fight for fairness. Contact him at his campaign office, call him or post to his facebook page. Let him know what you think.
25 W. Courtland St. Suite 101
Bel Air, MD 21014
(410) 893-2083
Please forward this to all your friends and family. Thanks for your help.
Ryan
Good thing you have the union to hide behind because any other employer would have fired you by now. You deserve it.
What for? The supreme court rulled he has the right to express his opinion just like everyone else. Teachers do not shead these rights.
Cdev, Get in touch with me. Please.
It is not my employer with which I currently have a problem.
So who do you have a problem with? The union, the taxpayer, the government?It sounds like anyone not willing to just hand you money.
The County Executive orchestrated this problem.
If you didn’t notice, I don’t hide behind anything.
Cdev you should call your leader, quick…
Who do you suppose is my leader? I am not in HCEA or elligible to be in HCEA. My wife is! I am allowed to express my opinion though!